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yeah

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welcome back to calling all beings baby

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it is a big night on the show I'm your

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host DJ I'll tell you what we gonna be

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partying with the Navajo Rangers tonight

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and they said if you want to run with us

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you got to bring the big dogs in and so

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we did so here's the co-creator the

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co-conspirator of this joint money

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Nathan the compass okay of this thing

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the directional Compass of this joint a

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study of uap's Deb the host of Deb's

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data dojo and the new edition baby

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that's what we're talking about Prime

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Time Leah Prime right here host of is it

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invisible night school yep the invisible

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night school that's what's up the new

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edition and the legend the Bigfoot field

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investigator content creator an analyst

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host of Bigfoot cross roads from

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Oklahoma

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Matt now

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jeez I gotta live up to that hype

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The Legend baby we're not playing around

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okay all right

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and I want to so I want to tell

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everybody you know tonight obviously

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we're having these guys on the Navajo

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Rangers uh we're extremely excited to

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have the new edition and Matt Knapp uh

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he's part of cab fan baby you know what

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I mean and um these interviews don't

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just come out of The Ether a lot of

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times we need to ask people's help to

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get contact with someone that really we

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really want to speak with and I became

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aware of Jonathan

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um over a year about a year ago I'd say

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uh hearing him on a podcast and then it

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just took about this long for me to find

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someone to get hold of him uh in the

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past Vinnie Adams has helped us get

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guests James eindolius helped us get

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guests sometimes we help people get

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guests but you really do need that

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assistance and in this this

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situation here it was uh Jenny Jenny

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gomberg that uh that helped us out uh

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through Deb uh and connected us with

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John who connect us with Stam and we

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were able to book these gentlemen

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um she has two friends who are big fans

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of the Navajo Rangers and of the genre

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of of Bigfoot of paranormal and nine and

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ten-year-olds so Landon and Lane and or

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Lane and Landon I don't know who gets

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top billing here but I'll tell you what

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thanks a lot shout out to you land in

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lane from us from cab one love and thank

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you very much uh please uh uh join us as

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much as possible and we'll have some

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conversations we might even bring you on

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man so you can tell us what you're

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thinking that would be really cool we

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haven't had any really young guests and

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now money

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it's time to bring on the guest of honor

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right let's do it let's do it all right

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all right all right so these two

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gentlemen here they are the heroes of

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the Navajo Nation that don't put their

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bacon on the lion

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investigating a whole lot of paranormal

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craziness to bring a sense of peace and

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security to their reservation so put

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your hands together for John Dover and

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thank you thank you all together great

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to have you guys with us yes

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it's good to be here

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John we hear you

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we hear you good

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I can uh go offline Nathan if you want

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to get us started I will call John uh on

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cell phone and see if I can help you let

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me let me exit real quick he's gonna

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come back and try to come back in so

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we'll go and get started I think that's

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fine uh I do want to say I had a landed

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in Lane they called in

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our fans thank you that's so cool yeah

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it's super cool uh yeah Landon Lane hope

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you're listening and uh hopefully we get

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to ask a question that you're interested

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in really exciting to have those young

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listeners with an interest in the

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Paranormal and in what you guys are

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doing uh and again great to have you

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guys with us all right so John's coming

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back in let me see him get him on John

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can you hear us now yeah I can hear you

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now excellent welcome back

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um all right so we've got both you guys

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uh to work John's at the bottom of the

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um gentlemen so after uh having had an

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opportunity to speak with John uh one of

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the things is that uh we understood that

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a lot of people would sort of uh speak

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with you and want to just dig into all

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the craziness that's happened and and

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not really get to know you and I was

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fascinated when I saw that episode on

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Unsolved Mysteries episode four these

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brothers were on Netflix

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um John's been on um I know you guys I

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think one of you or both of you are on

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Ancient Aliens and you've been on

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secrets of Skinwalker Ranch

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um but what I'm really interested in is

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sort of when you when you arrived at

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this particular reservation can you sort

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of talk about what your connection was

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with the Navajo Nation going in that

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informed how eventually you were

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selected can you talk about uh beginning

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with you if you want Stan I know Matt's

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family's from Tahlequah so

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um so he was excited about this this

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interaction tonight what what was your

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connection to the the tribe prior to

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moving out there to the Arizona res

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I arrived at the Fort Defiance hospital

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um there in Fort Defiance Arizona on the

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naval reservation so I was born here

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and uh but as

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about a two-year-old my mother father

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separated and me and my older sister

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were taken back to Oklahoma where we

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were raised in Tahlequah and that

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surrounding area

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and uh but we would we would travel back

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and forth in the summertime

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uh when we were kids uh back to the

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naval reservation so

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um so for me it you know between

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Oklahoma and and the navarez that's

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where I grew up and uh so yeah

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um I grew I was born in Los Angeles and

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uh California I'd like to see that in

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1976 I escaped and uh okay haven't

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haven't really been back since

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so uh but I'm also uh also spent all my

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part uh Southern Cheyenne and what they

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now call Apache tribe of Oklahoma which

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is uh they used to call Kiowa Apache so

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I have a plane's tribe in me on uh on

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two sides and then uh believe it or not

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I'm also part Filipino

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wow I mean did they do a blood sample on

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both you guys just to check with the

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tribal DNA before you they signed you on

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as Rangers I mean I actually they do a

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uh a CIB a certificate of Indian blood

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and you have to be at least a quarter uh

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to uh enrolled member of the tribe I

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wasn't too far off uh money so we're

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going to go in sort of a circular format

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so Nathan will go Debs will go Leah and

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Matt so uh money Nathan sir yeah so uh

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both of you guys it's so good to have

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you with us and uh I think folks have

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been familiar with uh the work that

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you've done anybody that's watched uh

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the shows that DJ mentioned

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in the Unsolved Mysteries episode that I

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wanted to see if we could get into a

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little bit more deeply I wanted to ask

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you both on a personal level like how

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have your investigations into the

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Paranormal kind of change the way that

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you look at the world and sort of

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generally but also how you interact with

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other people like has it changed the the

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way that you approach reality

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John you want to take it or you want me

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to jump in uh you go ahead

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um it has definitely impacted the way I

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look at at really life and in general

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um one of the big cases that I dealt

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with that had a phenomenon that was

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really an eye-opener was a haunting case

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in which the building uh the office

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so when a physical object appears out of

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thin air or it disappears or moves

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phenomenon was coins would materialize

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out of thin air

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out of nothingness and fall on the floor

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30 or 40 feet across the room and and

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sometimes they would hit us but in two

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days there was a total of uh 65 coins

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that the deported or materialized and so

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when you actually witnessed this I

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witnessed at least 10 times uh these

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coins uh materializing

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uh what you see in

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in the movie or television show Star

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Trek where you have people that are

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teleporting from one location like the

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spaceship down to a planet or something

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is actually possible because you have a

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solid tangible physical object

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that that is coming from some other uh

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space whether that's another dimension

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or you know

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another plane

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so that one had the biggest impact I

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uh like I said I witnessed that

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sometimes science and we'll say oh

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that's not possible possible with with

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with our physics you know but I I

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repeatedly seen it happen and so did

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others so I know it is possible that

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opens up a thing to all of these other

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paranormal phenomena like the Bigfoot

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and other things that may be dimensional

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type uh phenomenon or

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you know right and you touched on that

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in the show that the dimensional aspect

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and it gives the impression that it's

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it's right there it's there all the time

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it's always nearby and so how does that

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change the way that you look at maybe

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what we can understand to be normal

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things that happen in our life do you do

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you get the sense that do you have that

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felt presence that it is that close or

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uh what's the barrier there the boundary

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for you

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well one of the things is that

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if you know recently we have this new uh

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web telescope that's opened up greater

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images of the universe

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and uh

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if you know we with the human brain

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can't really comprehend the vastness of

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our universe

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uh we know that there are most likely

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other planets similar to Earth that

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could be occupied or inhabited by other

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beings and

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just that sheer vastness of of space

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um

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you know we're getting today

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uh uaps or UFOs objects

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that are that are in a lot of different

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Styles and shapes and colors and and uh

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so it lends to the idea that these

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objects are coming here from vast space

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you know vast parts of our universe

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you got to admit though Stan like when

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you think about somebody has to go to a

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coin laundromat you know if you would

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have had that plus the vending machines

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it could have been a really good

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situation to have those turn up in your

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house right you're like I gotta go to

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the coin laundromat I know it's like two

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dollars a machine dollar fifty for the

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dryer then you have the soda you want to

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get some Fritos and stuff this could

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have been a good situation when you

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think about it you really like well I'll

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send more because I got laundry tomorrow

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I had a relative in in one of the

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incidents was at another residence where

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the coins were materializing

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and that individual said well hell if

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it's going to throw money at least it

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could throw bills and uh why did that

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bill came flying across the room and hit

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his mother right in the cheek

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Ed over and I picked up that bill

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and it was lighted up and as I unraveled

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it it had the word d i e on it and the e

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was like a pitch for it so apparently it

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was too happy but I thought that comment

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so I'm definitely going to laundromat

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without one man get in there man now I'm

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just kind of hoping some money shows up

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while we have this talk but anyways

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um well that still happens today to me

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that was from in 2009 and it's still

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going on to this very day it could

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happen to me anyway I can be in

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California

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uh Scotland it happened in Scotland uh

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anywhere an assistant

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um anyhow I'm a volunteering now okay um

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so my question is I'm really interested

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in

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um this mistaken belief that

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um people are going to have ontological

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shock because of uaps and I believe

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actually most cultures on the planet

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um except the Paranormal it's normal and

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I was wondering what your perspective

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was when you began working on the

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reservation in these investigations if

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you believe that people experiencing the

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Paranormal ex like had less shock and

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more acceptance and sort of some

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thoughts on that

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well in my understanding

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we found out that uh on on navo uh

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Nation

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people are very accepting of the idea

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that there are UFOs out there uh they

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see them all the time

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we asked them during the uh the

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investigations we conduct why don't you

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report these to some State group like

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mufon and a mutual UFO Network and they

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tell us over and over well if we report

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it there's going to be a whole bunch of

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people come up here

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and they're all you know hold hands and

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sing Kumbaya and these things won't come

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back

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and uh we don't want that to happen

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so uh you have to understand that in

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Navajo culture uh the idea of star

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beings that have come to them in the

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past is still very much alive in the

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culture

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and um

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even even like stories like meteor

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Creator uh where it's believed that the

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gods three Gods decided that they did

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want to live anymore so they flung

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themselves at the Earth

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uh on a thunderbolt and hit the earth

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and are buried in the bottom of that

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crater

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and so navajos today avoid that place

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they they don't go there to to be a

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tourist

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um because they said that those gods are

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sleeping and to dig in there and disturb

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them uh could be very bad

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so uh the Navajo themselves have yabache

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dancers during the uh fall fall months

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and uh those dancers are representations

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of these gods that have come to them in

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the past

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they're also have stories of Bigfoot

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that go back to the late 16 early 1700s

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and their ideas uh just leave it alone

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uh don't bother it don't look at it

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whatever you do don't look at it the uh

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the fabled uh legendary Navajo skin

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walker is another case in point as small

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children you're taught all the time you

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know don't leave your fingernail

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clippings your other you know things

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that come from you don't leave them

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laying around because if a if a skin

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walker gets a hold of that they could

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change into a version of you and

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approach other people

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so there's a lot of this that goes on

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it's it's never spoken of even even

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ghosts and hauntings uh it's never

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really spoken of out loud but you're

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taught this stuff as you grow up and you

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become aware that there's a whole

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different world out there that uh nobody

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knows about

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this uh man your culture is so

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fascinating that way

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um let's turn it over to the new edition

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Leah prime time hey thank you guys

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um and and John stand so great to uh to

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meet you so um I'm actually gonna

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piggyback right on Deb um I think her

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and I probably have a similar Vibe when

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it comes to what we're curious about

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um I'm super fascinated by the role of

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Mythology and culture in the Paranormal

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and so I'm wondering if your work is

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basically a modern continuation of

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traditional work done in your respective

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tribes basically who was doing this kind

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of work

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um in the tribes before

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you and before I think

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um this I guess like modern framing or

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this modern approach

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pre-modern yeah well like I would say

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traditionally really like who would be

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traditionally doing this kind of work

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uh the thing is

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in respects with daily with those issues

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that people have whether it's involving

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um

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types of phenomena that would be

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considered taboo to to uh to deal with

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the medicine men are and were the ones

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that dealt with this

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um directly and even today for me and

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John

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yes we could go into a case and really

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we're there to validate and determine uh

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the nature of

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the phenomenon what what might be

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occurring

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and

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um but we don't we're not we're not

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medicine men and we don't pretend to be

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we we do have contacts that we use to be

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able to handle those situations when

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they do come up

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but um so we're going into it using what

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we've learned as an investigator

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adapting and assimilating what we've

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learned as a criminal investigator to

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document these things

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um and what we have learned throughout

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our lives

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in relation to uh

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UFOs or hauntings or things of that

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nature I'll let John speak

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yeah we we stay respectful to all of the

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uh traditions

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um now one tradition that that we did

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change uh and I'll be right up front

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about it the idea of talking about the

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Navajo Skinwalker and we only really

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talk about the Navajo version other

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tribes have other versions of of the

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shape shifter

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but uh when we speak about it it for us

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it's kind of like uh Toto pulling the uh

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curtain back just a little bit so you

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can see the wizard behind there

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um we are interested in getting

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information out that these things are

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actually real and they're not to be

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trifled with uh so you know we go to

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Great Lengths we've had a lot of uh TV

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producers uh literally ask us can can we

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go out and look for Skin Walkers and we

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tell we tell them no absolutely not

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because these things can kill you

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yeah and um you know and we're not

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bashful about it we tell everybody uh

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we're not going to do that uh and I'm

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not I don't want one to be after me and

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my family uh so and and we take measures

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to protect ourselves and part of that is

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is a deep faith that we have and uh the

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other part is that we uh will smoke

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ourselves or smudge ourselves and uh and

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our houses uh to keep ourselves safe and

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our family members will do the same

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that is so awesome that's so cool yeah I

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love hearing about this like these

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rituals so cool totally let me pass you

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off to Oklahoma's Own Matt nap

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hello guys wow I feel honored to be

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talking to you guys uh cool watch the

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episode I've known uh Brenda Harris for

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years I've had her on my own show and

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talked to her in depth about the Bigfoot

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stuff going on there multiple times

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uh my first question for you guys is

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about the actual investigation stuff uh

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whenever these calls come in you get

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reports and you're sent out to

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investigate something

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uh once you have done your investigation

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then what do you report back and fill

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out paperwork and is that paperwork

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filed somewhere

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and as a second part to that are you

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aware of any other uh non-tribal law

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enforcement agencies doing the same type

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investigations maybe outside of the

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reservation

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I'll let John start with that

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okay

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um

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one of the interesting things that we

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did is we were we didn't volunteer for

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this we were voluntold and and so you

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know we were kind of shocked you too

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yeah yeah and that's because uh as Stan

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will tell you we we don't have the

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traditional upbringing of a typical

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Navajo uh where you know we're we're

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split between several different tribes

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there were two tribes you know or two

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different uh Geographic areas

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so we grew up knowing all this stuff uh

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but we

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um we're not afraid of it and uh both of

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us are investigators so you know we

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actually have this desire believe it or

538
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not in law enforcement I know this is

539
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weird but we have a desire to actually

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help people

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and when you're seeing

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when you're seeing people that are

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absolutely terrified they've gone

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through uh basically a trauma on their

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lives and they don't know where to turn

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first they need somebody to at least

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tell them hey we're here for you and and

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we're concerned for you

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the second thing is is we need to

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validate what it is and get them the

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type of help that they actually need

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yeah um now in one case and I'll just

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really be brief here

554
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:13,320
we actually had a woman that in law

555
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:15,120
enforcement parlance she would be

556
00:25:21,409 --> 00:25:18,360
considered an EDP uh an emotionally

557
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:21,419
disturbed person she spent all her life

558
00:25:29,450 --> 00:25:24,960
up in uh California and she was

559
00:25:32,750 --> 00:25:29,460
basically taking a paper bag uh I'm

560
00:25:34,250 --> 00:25:32,760
talking grocery bag a full you know half

561
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:34,260
full of drugs

562
00:25:39,409 --> 00:25:37,440
and some of the drugs are pretty pretty

563
00:25:40,250 --> 00:25:39,419
powerful

564
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:40,260
um

565
00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:43,440
she reports uh Skin Walkers coming to

566
00:25:49,010 --> 00:25:45,720
her house she had inherited her her

567
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:49,020
mother's house it had no windows it had

568
00:25:56,750 --> 00:25:52,559
no door it just a roof and a frame

569
00:25:58,909 --> 00:25:56,760
and uh you know with the walls well and

570
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:58,919
it was right along the edge of a Border

571
00:26:03,110 --> 00:25:59,760
Town

572
00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:03,120
so she says that these uh offerings with

573
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:04,740
feathers on them and stuff are being

574
00:26:09,529 --> 00:26:07,679
left and she's she's really afraid

575
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:09,539
because she thinks they're gonna come

576
00:26:14,269 --> 00:26:11,039
after her

577
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,279
so we did the investigation and in a

578
00:26:19,250 --> 00:26:16,320
nutshell me and Stan tracked that place

579
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:19,260
out we found the footprints of seven

580
00:26:24,350 --> 00:26:20,880
individuals

581
00:26:26,769 --> 00:26:24,360
and we tracked them to a trail behind

582
00:26:29,090 --> 00:26:26,779
her house that went back down the hill

583
00:26:32,269 --> 00:26:29,100
and into the town

584
00:26:34,490 --> 00:26:32,279
what we determined was that these were

585
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:34,500
other navajos

586
00:26:41,930 --> 00:26:37,679
that had used her house all these years

587
00:26:44,570 --> 00:26:41,940
as a crash pad to go into town and drink

588
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,580
and then have a place to stay with a

589
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:46,400
roof over their heads

590
00:26:52,190 --> 00:26:49,440
she moves back and they didn't like that

591
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,200
so knowing the cultural aspects they

592
00:26:56,049 --> 00:26:54,480
decided that they were going to try to

593
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:56,059
drive her out

594
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,240
and we told her you know this is these

595
00:27:04,970 --> 00:27:02,159
are just drunks don't worry about it

596
00:27:08,649 --> 00:27:04,980
they're they're not uh witchcraft

597
00:27:13,549 --> 00:27:08,659
and it was your typical Scooby-Doo case

598
00:27:15,950 --> 00:27:13,559
yeah so so uh a couple of months later

599
00:27:17,930 --> 00:27:15,960
our dispatch got a call

600
00:27:21,529 --> 00:27:17,940
and it's the same woman

601
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,539
and she is literally crying on the phone

602
00:27:26,210 --> 00:27:23,520
and she said thank you thank you thank

603
00:27:29,390 --> 00:27:26,220
you she says the state police wouldn't

604
00:27:30,490 --> 00:27:29,400
listen to her County uh the Tribal

605
00:27:33,470 --> 00:27:30,500
Police

606
00:27:36,890 --> 00:27:33,480
the city nobody would listen to her

607
00:27:39,529 --> 00:27:36,900
because they knew of her background uh

608
00:27:42,590 --> 00:27:39,539
and here come two Rangers that took her

609
00:27:44,750 --> 00:27:42,600
seriously and took care of her case she

610
00:27:48,649 --> 00:27:44,760
said her house is all fixed up Windows

611
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:48,659
Doors everything else and she's uh she's

612
00:27:54,529 --> 00:27:51,360
living in there with no problems and so

613
00:27:57,289 --> 00:27:54,539
she called just to thank us

614
00:27:58,730 --> 00:27:57,299
I find what you guys do is is very very

615
00:28:00,649 --> 00:27:58,740
heroic

616
00:28:02,810 --> 00:28:00,659
um Deb found out last week when she

617
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:02,820
tried to investigate a haunted

618
00:28:08,269 --> 00:28:06,480
restaurant bathroom uh that how heroic

619
00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:08,279
it is the work you're doing I'll let her

620
00:28:14,090 --> 00:28:10,440
tell that herself on the next go-round

621
00:28:16,490 --> 00:28:14,100
but let's turn over to money Nathan

622
00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:16,500
yeah so uh

623
00:28:20,090 --> 00:28:17,940
I want to come back to this mythology

624
00:28:22,909 --> 00:28:20,100
sort of concept and a lot of mythologies

625
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:22,919
talk about ages of time and of history

626
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,679
and kind of what age we may be in and I

627
00:28:29,570 --> 00:28:27,120
wonder if either of you have any

628
00:28:32,930 --> 00:28:29,580
thoughts about that about the age of of

629
00:28:34,190 --> 00:28:32,940
the time we find ourselves now uh you

630
00:28:35,210 --> 00:28:34,200
know because there does seem to be an

631
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:35,220
interesting

632
00:28:40,730 --> 00:28:38,159
uh Nicks or growing curiosity in these

633
00:28:43,610 --> 00:28:40,740
matters that maybe had been absent

634
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:43,620
before or had been suppressed quite a

635
00:28:47,810 --> 00:28:46,320
great deal so as you've told your story

636
00:28:49,850 --> 00:28:47,820
as you've been out in front of the

637
00:28:51,169 --> 00:28:49,860
public more with what you're doing uh

638
00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:51,179
what kind of response are you getting

639
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:53,580
from that

640
00:28:59,570 --> 00:28:55,919
I'll let John jump in on that

641
00:29:03,710 --> 00:28:59,580
okay uh we're getting quite an

642
00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:03,720
interesting response uh because all

643
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:07,080
we've done is is a true investigator

644
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:10,559
when he goes into a case he doesn't have

645
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:12,960
a preconceived idea of what he's looking

646
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:13,919
at

647
00:29:18,769 --> 00:29:16,799
he goes into the case and starts looking

648
00:29:22,430 --> 00:29:18,779
at the evidence first

649
00:29:24,049 --> 00:29:22,440
and then you go stay an accident you

650
00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:24,059
look at skid marks you look at the

651
00:29:29,389 --> 00:29:25,980
damage you look at everything

652
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,399
and you put it together and then you go

653
00:29:33,289 --> 00:29:31,679
talk to your Witnesses and see if their

654
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:33,299
statements match up with what you're

655
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:35,360
getting as far as the evidence

656
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:40,080
it's very impersonal at on that level

657
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:43,440
because you're not trying to have an

658
00:29:50,269 --> 00:29:46,799
idea even Bruce Lee said can you look at

659
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:50,279
a situation without naming it naming it

660
00:29:56,510 --> 00:29:53,279
making it a word causes fear

661
00:30:00,289 --> 00:29:56,520
so we don't go into these things fearful

662
00:30:02,990 --> 00:30:00,299
we go in to do a job and uh we're going

663
00:30:06,590 --> 00:30:03,000
to do it uh irregardless of of what's

664
00:30:08,990 --> 00:30:06,600
happening around us and uh our job

665
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:09,000
really uh and and answering the last

666
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,320
question too

667
00:30:16,130 --> 00:30:12,720
after we get done with these yes we have

668
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:16,140
to write reports and uh so they go into

669
00:30:22,430 --> 00:30:18,960
the the system and they're locked down

670
00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:22,440
so that only we and the director Chief

671
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,500
Ranger has access to it so that nobody's

672
00:30:28,970 --> 00:30:27,600
in their you know searching out this

673
00:30:29,570 --> 00:30:28,980
stuff

674
00:30:32,269 --> 00:30:29,580
um

675
00:30:35,389 --> 00:30:32,279
and we don't have a

676
00:30:38,029 --> 00:30:35,399
I guess numbers a number system that'll

677
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,039
fit any of them so like bigfoot calls

678
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:40,559
will go under wild animal complaint

679
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:42,960
uh you know just we just try to figure

680
00:30:47,210 --> 00:30:45,120
out where they can fit in so they go in

681
00:30:51,470 --> 00:30:47,220
our system but we're not going to create

682
00:30:54,769 --> 00:30:51,480
any new numbers to say haunting uh UFO

683
00:30:57,049 --> 00:30:54,779
you know we don't do that uh

684
00:31:01,549 --> 00:30:57,059
so it's it's it's rather interesting

685
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,559
that uh uh yeah it's it's crazy but uh

686
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:03,120
there you go

687
00:31:09,710 --> 00:31:06,480
I do want to let you know that uh

688
00:31:11,450 --> 00:31:09,720
neither John nor I are still active law

689
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:11,460
enforcement

690
00:31:23,450 --> 00:31:15,360
um John retired I think back in 2010 or

691
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:23,460
11. and uh I recently retired in 2021 uh

692
00:31:30,110 --> 00:31:26,880
from the Rangers department so but

693
00:31:33,470 --> 00:31:30,120
that doesn't mean that when we're asked

694
00:31:36,049 --> 00:31:33,480
to help a family or an individual

695
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:36,059
in regards to what the something they're

696
00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:39,360
experiencing we will still continue to

697
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,120
try to help those individuals and and

698
00:31:47,510 --> 00:31:44,159
investigate whatever it is that they're

699
00:31:49,970 --> 00:31:47,520
experience excuse me experiencing

700
00:31:52,730 --> 00:31:49,980
I love it I love what you guys uh have

701
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,740
done and uh when John and I had a great

702
00:31:56,570 --> 00:31:54,480
phone conversation the first time he

703
00:31:58,909 --> 00:31:56,580
told me basically uh for the audience

704
00:32:00,649 --> 00:31:58,919
out there these guys are are straddling

705
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:00,659
everything from what a forest ranger

706
00:32:05,510 --> 00:32:03,120
does to what a law enforcement officer

707
00:32:07,730 --> 00:32:05,520
does and they're going all across the

708
00:32:11,450 --> 00:32:07,740
board to rescuing people to what SAR

709
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:11,460
does uh uh Johnson EMT

710
00:32:15,470 --> 00:32:13,679
um so these guys really you know went

711
00:32:17,630 --> 00:32:15,480
out and handled everything and and I

712
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:17,640
love and Stan said that you know when I

713
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,960
saw the rangers they had a certain

714
00:32:22,130 --> 00:32:20,640
presence about him and I wanted to be a

715
00:32:24,769 --> 00:32:22,140
part of that

716
00:32:26,450 --> 00:32:24,779
um so my question for you is uh and I'm

717
00:32:27,710 --> 00:32:26,460
going to rewind a little so expect to go

718
00:32:29,149 --> 00:32:27,720
all over Matt this is going to be a

719
00:32:30,769 --> 00:32:29,159
non-linear interview we're going to take

720
00:32:32,510 --> 00:32:30,779
you all over the place which should be

721
00:32:34,130 --> 00:32:32,520
fun so you won't be rooted in any one

722
00:32:36,289 --> 00:32:34,140
area you don't know what to expect with

723
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,299
the next question but um it'll be good

724
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:38,399
though I can guarantee you that

725
00:32:44,090 --> 00:32:42,240
um so uh when you guys were told uh that

726
00:32:45,710 --> 00:32:44,100
you two were picked you know based on

727
00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:45,720
that you weren't as rooted in the

728
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:47,460
Traditions you weren't scared can you

729
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:50,159
you remember Stan a conversation that

730
00:32:55,549 --> 00:32:52,559
perhaps you and John had afterward we

731
00:32:56,990 --> 00:32:55,559
were like oh wow I want to go get a beer

732
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:57,000
tonight I guess it's you and I that are

733
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:58,559
going to be going out and searching for

734
00:33:03,529 --> 00:33:00,960
Bigfoot and chasing Skin Walkers did you

735
00:33:07,010 --> 00:33:03,539
guys have a conversation like that uh

736
00:33:07,789 --> 00:33:07,020
pre doing your first one of these

737
00:33:10,970 --> 00:33:07,799
um

738
00:33:14,570 --> 00:33:10,980
actually John and I you know we had

739
00:33:16,250 --> 00:33:14,580
worked under special projects for quite

740
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:16,260
a while

741
00:33:21,409 --> 00:33:18,720
um we were doing dignitary protection

742
00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:21,419
for sometimes when they would be doing

743
00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:23,880
Motion Pictures out on the reservation

744
00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:28,380
and you have Johnny Depp or Metallica or

745
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:32,220
uh we'd be doing dignitary protection

746
00:33:36,490 --> 00:33:32,820
um

747
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:36,500
so we also were SWAT SWAT team members

748
00:33:45,649 --> 00:33:39,360
so John and I worked with each other for

749
00:33:48,649 --> 00:33:45,659
a long time uh doing other work and

750
00:33:52,009 --> 00:33:48,659
and even back in the day

751
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:52,019
there was cases that would come up there

752
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:52,799
were

753
00:34:00,889 --> 00:33:59,279
or uh Supernatural nature

754
00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:00,899
but

755
00:34:06,889 --> 00:34:04,260
it was the incident where these two

756
00:34:09,250 --> 00:34:06,899
younger Rangers went out and they were

757
00:34:12,349 --> 00:34:09,260
assigned to investigate a Bigfoot case

758
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:12,359
involving an elderly grandmother

759
00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:15,119
and so

760
00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:16,740
at that point

761
00:34:21,649 --> 00:34:20,760
it was really it became official you

762
00:34:23,869 --> 00:34:21,659
know

763
00:34:25,609 --> 00:34:23,879
that it would be handled this way

764
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:25,619
and uh

765
00:34:31,250 --> 00:34:27,119
but

766
00:34:34,570 --> 00:34:31,260
I don't I don't recall one incident of

767
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:34,580
of us going and having a beer

768
00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:38,000
there's been plenty of those times

769
00:34:41,329 --> 00:34:40,020
we're going to get into that at the end

770
00:34:43,129 --> 00:34:41,339
stand but I'm going to want to hear what

771
00:34:45,169 --> 00:34:43,139
you guys talk about now when you go for

772
00:34:49,970 --> 00:34:45,179
a beer but that's going to be at the end

773
00:34:53,329 --> 00:34:49,980
so uh let me pass it over to to uh Debs

774
00:34:55,970 --> 00:34:53,339
yeah so I will just briefly say before I

775
00:34:59,690 --> 00:34:55,980
ask my question that DHA was alluding to

776
00:35:01,910 --> 00:34:59,700
my attempt to go release a coast from a

777
00:35:04,849 --> 00:35:01,920
restaurant because the waiter told us

778
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,859
that the ghost was bothering yes and as

779
00:35:09,710 --> 00:35:07,200
soon as I uh went into the bathroom I

780
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:09,720
had a huge adrenaline rush and I was

781
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:12,240
totally just like fine until the door

782
00:35:19,490 --> 00:35:14,960
closed on its own and then I was done

783
00:35:21,890 --> 00:35:19,500
so so I commend you for uh what you do

784
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,900
um or an hour did and uh daily

785
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:23,520
appreciate that you say you're not

786
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:25,920
scared but Deb you told the waiter Deb's

787
00:35:30,170 --> 00:35:28,320
like I got this I'll go and investigate

788
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:30,180
this [\h__\h] I got up from from her hors

789
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,440
d'oeuvre and just went up there man

790
00:35:35,390 --> 00:35:33,839
that's exactly that's exactly what

791
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:35,400
happened in fact the manager was like

792
00:35:38,329 --> 00:35:36,960
where are you going where are you going

793
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:38,339
and I'm like I'm going to go look for

794
00:35:41,150 --> 00:35:40,079
the bathroom and he's like okay it's up

795
00:35:44,329 --> 00:35:41,160
there

796
00:35:46,849 --> 00:35:44,339
anywho so um my question

797
00:35:49,130 --> 00:35:46,859
is that from

798
00:35:52,130 --> 00:35:49,140
um smudging petroglyphs to beliefs

799
00:35:55,310 --> 00:35:52,140
related to Star and Sky people what are

800
00:35:58,130 --> 00:35:55,320
people getting wrong about Navajo

801
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:58,140
beliefs and what can we do to get the

802
00:36:02,750 --> 00:36:00,000
Navajo people to come out and tell their

803
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:02,760
stories themselves

804
00:36:06,170 --> 00:36:05,520
oh boy that's that's a good one

805
00:36:10,670 --> 00:36:06,180
um

806
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:10,680
the Navajo people are uh they do what

807
00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:13,040
they call oral history

808
00:36:20,089 --> 00:36:16,260
uh so this information is passed down

809
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:20,099
from one generation to the next uh in in

810
00:36:26,089 --> 00:36:23,160
uh in verbal fashion so there's nothing

811
00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:26,099
written on it now uh you have to

812
00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:28,680
understand that when the Anglo first

813
00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:29,640
came

814
00:36:36,109 --> 00:36:31,800
to this country

815
00:36:40,609 --> 00:36:36,119
you know the you hear the word Savage

816
00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:40,619
um the word Savage was actually coined

817
00:36:46,490 --> 00:36:44,820
to include peoples that did not have a

818
00:36:50,990 --> 00:36:46,500
written language

819
00:36:54,890 --> 00:36:51,000
and so they were considered uncivilized

820
00:36:56,750 --> 00:36:54,900
but uh you have the uh

821
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,760
the the

822
00:37:02,270 --> 00:36:58,560
five tribes

823
00:37:05,089 --> 00:37:02,280
that uh that were on the east coast and

824
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:05,099
uh uh the five Great Nations that came

825
00:37:10,849 --> 00:37:08,640
together in the Confederacy uh and they

826
00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:10,859
govern themselves using senators and

827
00:37:17,450 --> 00:37:14,520
representatives and uh that model was

828
00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:17,460
actually taken uh After the

829
00:37:28,030 --> 00:37:21,180
Revolutionary War and used as a model to

830
00:37:31,609 --> 00:37:28,040
make our Uh current uh government yeah

831
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:31,619
right so you know there's there's a lot

832
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:33,359
of that that goes on

833
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:37,440
um we were by no means uh Savages

834
00:37:43,849 --> 00:37:41,280
uh if you look at Navajo history

835
00:37:47,450 --> 00:37:43,859
uh and I'll use a medicine man as an

836
00:37:50,329 --> 00:37:47,460
example uh and enemy way dance or Squad

837
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,339
dance as they call it is a three-day

838
00:37:55,250 --> 00:37:52,320
ceremony that's held at three different

839
00:37:57,770 --> 00:37:55,260
locations the purpose is to go get

840
00:37:58,490 --> 00:37:57,780
medicine and bring it back

841
00:38:02,089 --> 00:37:58,500
um

842
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:02,099
over the course of three days there may

843
00:38:10,190 --> 00:38:06,960
be 240 to 250 songs that are sung over

844
00:38:12,530 --> 00:38:10,200
those three nights they have to be sung

845
00:38:15,890 --> 00:38:12,540
in an exact order

846
00:38:18,109 --> 00:38:15,900
that's memorized there cannot be any

847
00:38:21,050 --> 00:38:18,119
mistakes like you can't accidentally

848
00:38:24,410 --> 00:38:21,060
switch verses around them uh you know

849
00:38:27,650 --> 00:38:24,420
the the song has to be sung exactly

850
00:38:30,290 --> 00:38:27,660
uh if it is not done exactly it negates

851
00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:30,300
the whole ceremony and these medicine

852
00:38:34,130 --> 00:38:32,940
men are paid a lot of money to do these

853
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:34,140
ceremonies

854
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,680
so uh you would lose face and you would

855
00:38:42,050 --> 00:38:39,599
lose customers by doing something like

856
00:38:44,109 --> 00:38:42,060
that because word would spread we call

857
00:38:46,609 --> 00:38:44,119
it Navajo Telegraph

858
00:38:49,069 --> 00:38:46,619
it goes from one end of the reservation

859
00:38:51,130 --> 00:38:49,079
to the other very past

860
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:51,140
so um

861
00:38:59,569 --> 00:38:55,440
there is a history of information that

862
00:39:02,210 --> 00:38:59,579
has come down unadultered it's and we've

863
00:39:05,329 --> 00:39:02,220
seen this in our investigations we had

864
00:39:07,490 --> 00:39:05,339
an old man that had entities walking

865
00:39:11,150 --> 00:39:07,500
around his house in the middle of the

866
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:11,160
night and we did three different

867
00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:12,960
interviews with them over four years

868
00:39:18,410 --> 00:39:14,700
that were recorded

869
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:18,420
each interview was translated

870
00:39:24,050 --> 00:39:21,599
and every one of them he said exactly

871
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,060
the same thing he didn't embellish it he

872
00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:26,640
didn't forget anything he just told it

873
00:39:32,990 --> 00:39:29,160
exactly the same way as he told it the

874
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,000
first time and that's proof to me that a

875
00:39:38,750 --> 00:39:35,760
lot of this information is that comes to

876
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:38,760
us from the past is correct

877
00:39:44,210 --> 00:39:42,960
it's uh yeah the the history uh I think

878
00:39:46,910 --> 00:39:44,220
what you know what she's alluding to

879
00:39:49,730 --> 00:39:46,920
basically there's a lot of information I

880
00:39:52,849 --> 00:39:49,740
think you have that would inform the

881
00:39:54,770 --> 00:39:52,859
topic among non-native people and so

882
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:54,780
that you know we're hoping that it at

883
00:40:00,349 --> 00:39:57,359
some point there can be that that sort

884
00:40:02,569 --> 00:40:00,359
of joining where we can we can learn

885
00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:02,579
um the lessons that came before we were

886
00:40:05,630 --> 00:40:04,740
here but with that let me pass over Leah

887
00:40:07,550 --> 00:40:05,640
prime time

888
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,560
wonderful

889
00:40:10,970 --> 00:40:09,119
um and I'm just loving this conversation

890
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:10,980
so far by the way

891
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,480
um so so the mechanics of these

892
00:40:15,170 --> 00:40:14,400
investigations are really fascinating to

893
00:40:18,050 --> 00:40:15,180
me

894
00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:18,060
um and coming from more of a ufological

895
00:40:22,730 --> 00:40:20,760
and spiritual perspective I'm very

896
00:40:25,490 --> 00:40:22,740
familiar with how when people encounter

897
00:40:27,170 --> 00:40:25,500
something strange or uncanny a figure of

898
00:40:28,970 --> 00:40:27,180
legitimate Authority taking them

899
00:40:30,650 --> 00:40:28,980
seriously listening to their concerns

900
00:40:32,450 --> 00:40:30,660
and even escalating into a full

901
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,460
investigation really helps provide a

902
00:40:38,210 --> 00:40:34,560
sense of stability and guidance

903
00:40:40,310 --> 00:40:38,220
so my question for you is what your

904
00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:40,320
triage process is like for escalating

905
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,320
reports into full investigations and

906
00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:45,599
then also how you assess the trauma

907
00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:47,760
faced by reportees so like what kind of

908
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:50,040
support is available for them that are

909
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:51,839
trying to process or integrate their

910
00:41:00,589 --> 00:40:57,109
um sometimes

911
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:00,599
when they dispatcher would be receiving

912
00:41:08,210 --> 00:41:02,720
the call

913
00:41:09,490 --> 00:41:08,220
she would she would inform us that

914
00:41:12,910 --> 00:41:09,500
um

915
00:41:16,490 --> 00:41:12,920
that maybe

916
00:41:18,530 --> 00:41:16,500
they're the victim or reporting person

917
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:18,540
in that case

918
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:20,640
is

919
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:21,599
um

920
00:41:26,329 --> 00:41:24,000
you know they when they had that initial

921
00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:26,339
call with the dispatcher

922
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:30,060
they may have an elevated

923
00:41:37,010 --> 00:41:33,599
uh Voice or yelling or

924
00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:37,020
uh things of that nature that is later

925
00:41:41,569 --> 00:41:40,140
given to us uh

926
00:41:43,849 --> 00:41:41,579
and

927
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:43,859
so that communication between the

928
00:41:50,510 --> 00:41:46,800
dispatcher and and the Ranger

929
00:41:52,730 --> 00:41:50,520
would let us know uh but to basically

930
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:52,740
formulate an idea of

931
00:41:58,970 --> 00:41:56,240
how serious that particular case is

932
00:42:01,790 --> 00:41:58,980
there was a time when

933
00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:01,800
you know John and I would be receiving

934
00:42:07,490 --> 00:42:04,200
multiple

935
00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:07,500
types of calls uh in and around the same

936
00:42:12,170 --> 00:42:08,760
time

937
00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:12,180
and we would basically have to sort

938
00:42:15,890 --> 00:42:14,280
through which one would have the

939
00:42:19,790 --> 00:42:15,900
priority

940
00:42:22,370 --> 00:42:19,800
um and be dealt with you know first

941
00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:22,380
through the the latter

942
00:42:27,230 --> 00:42:25,320
and you know cases involving Witchcraft

943
00:42:31,329 --> 00:42:27,240
and stuff

944
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:31,339
um a lot of times those

945
00:42:38,510 --> 00:42:34,400
are are of a serious

946
00:42:39,609 --> 00:42:38,520
and more dangerous nature

947
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:39,619
um

948
00:42:44,930 --> 00:42:42,720
so some some of those calls would be

949
00:42:48,410 --> 00:42:44,940
they would be the first ones that would

950
00:42:52,250 --> 00:42:48,420
be initially responded to

951
00:42:55,550 --> 00:42:52,260
is absolutely frightening when I saw

952
00:42:57,890 --> 00:42:55,560
dark winds and that that lady that lady

953
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,900
in dark wins I was like I think I was

954
00:43:02,690 --> 00:43:00,000
looking out from under the bed covers at

955
00:43:04,430 --> 00:43:02,700
the TV set man yeah yeah you guys were

956
00:43:07,309 --> 00:43:04,440
like oh I have to go up to the house and

957
00:43:08,270 --> 00:43:07,319
knock on the door oh man

958
00:43:10,670 --> 00:43:08,280
yeah

959
00:43:14,690 --> 00:43:10,680
all right let me turn over to Oklahoma's

960
00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:14,700
home that nap the Bigfoot outlaw

961
00:43:20,270 --> 00:43:18,300
did you guys ever find any patterns or

962
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:20,280
correlation between

963
00:43:25,130 --> 00:43:23,520
different things such as Bigfoot and UFO

964
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:25,140
sightings at the same time or anything

965
00:43:32,290 --> 00:43:27,599
like that

966
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:32,300
we saw increases in the reporting

967
00:43:37,970 --> 00:43:35,520
that correlated with each other if we

968
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:37,980
had more cases coming forward of

969
00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:40,079
sightings of Bigfoot we had

970
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,500
corresponding cases of UFOs what we

971
00:43:48,829 --> 00:43:45,440
would call flybys

972
00:43:52,970 --> 00:43:48,839
we would ascertain the type of craft it

973
00:43:56,349 --> 00:43:52,980
was it an orb was it a cylinder you know

974
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:56,359
what was it cigar shape saucer shape

975
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,200
you know square triangle and we would uh

976
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:03,359
kind of you know mentally record those

977
00:44:09,890 --> 00:44:06,480
you can't really do a whole lot with

978
00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:09,900
them because they're they're so fast uh

979
00:44:15,530 --> 00:44:11,640
maybe just a couple of seconds and

980
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:15,540
they're gone I've actually had an orb uh

981
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:18,480
come up to my vehicle as I was driving

982
00:44:23,930 --> 00:44:21,839
down the highway and it just zipped in

983
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:23,940
and zipped back just in the blink of an

984
00:44:30,829 --> 00:44:26,880
eye but it was a little red one about

985
00:44:33,290 --> 00:44:30,839
maybe six inches in diameter and uh

986
00:44:35,329 --> 00:44:33,300
you know what are you going to do you

987
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,339
know you can't open an investigation

988
00:44:38,210 --> 00:44:37,440
into something like that because it's so

989
00:44:41,329 --> 00:44:38,220
fast

990
00:44:42,770 --> 00:44:41,339
but uh what we would do is is

991
00:44:46,490 --> 00:44:42,780
um

992
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:46,500
uh we would see the correlation

993
00:44:51,770 --> 00:44:49,200
within our department we had an

994
00:44:54,829 --> 00:44:51,780
unofficial no shoot policy when it came

995
00:44:56,990 --> 00:44:54,839
to Bigfoot so if one of our Rangers was

996
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:57,000
in the field we told them unless it's

997
00:45:00,349 --> 00:44:59,280
attacking you personally or somebody

998
00:45:02,990 --> 00:45:00,359
else

999
00:45:07,069 --> 00:45:03,000
uh you will not shoot a you know just

1000
00:45:09,050 --> 00:45:07,079
wave at it uh you know and the reason we

1001
00:45:11,329 --> 00:45:09,060
told them is that we said we don't want

1002
00:45:14,930 --> 00:45:11,339
you shooting at it trying to bring it

1003
00:45:17,089 --> 00:45:14,940
down just to shoot it because what if

1004
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,099
you shoot it and you find that there's a

1005
00:45:22,370 --> 00:45:19,680
guy inside with the the zipper on the

1006
00:45:25,309 --> 00:45:22,380
back you know and he's playing playing a

1007
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,319
joke on some other people you know yeah

1008
00:45:28,670 --> 00:45:27,359
we don't want that kind of tragedy to

1009
00:45:29,390 --> 00:45:28,680
happen so

1010
00:45:38,690 --> 00:45:29,400
um

1011
00:45:40,910 --> 00:45:38,700
you if uh that wants to take this was

1012
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:40,920
there a shift where you sort of rolled

1013
00:45:44,270 --> 00:45:42,720
over in bed in the morning if in fact

1014
00:45:45,230 --> 00:45:44,280
you're on day shift or if you're on

1015
00:45:47,870 --> 00:45:45,240
night shift

1016
00:45:50,329 --> 00:45:47,880
where there was a certain amount of fear

1017
00:45:53,089 --> 00:45:50,339
because of what had happened the prior

1018
00:45:54,770 --> 00:45:53,099
shift about going back out there was

1019
00:45:57,470 --> 00:45:54,780
there an event like that that that that

1020
00:45:59,569 --> 00:45:57,480
sort of you're like men I I don't know

1021
00:46:02,630 --> 00:45:59,579
if I'm ready to go out there again

1022
00:46:04,670 --> 00:46:02,640
actually I've never had any of those uh

1023
00:46:08,329 --> 00:46:04,680
I've had neither have I

1024
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:08,339
very strange things happen but

1025
00:46:13,609 --> 00:46:10,319
um you know we go through these things

1026
00:46:16,130 --> 00:46:13,619
we don't we go into them with with

1027
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,140
absolutely no fear just

1028
00:46:21,470 --> 00:46:18,480
do what needs to be done because nobody

1029
00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:21,480
else is going to do it and we get in

1030
00:46:27,410 --> 00:46:24,300
there we take care of the business find

1031
00:46:29,930 --> 00:46:27,420
out what it is we get done we might you

1032
00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:29,940
know breathe a little you know you know

1033
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:32,760
exhale and go wow you know I I wasn't

1034
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:35,640
expecting that but then we smoke

1035
00:46:42,050 --> 00:46:38,640
ourselves we bring ourselves uh in

1036
00:46:43,970 --> 00:46:42,060
Navajo they call it Hojo which is to get

1037
00:46:49,250 --> 00:46:43,980
yourself Back in Balance

1038
00:46:50,569 --> 00:46:49,260
uh it it recognizes that there's uh

1039
00:46:53,390 --> 00:46:50,579
um

1040
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,400
I don't want to really say evil

1041
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:55,680
because there's a Christian connotation

1042
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:58,560
that goes with that but there's negative

1043
00:47:04,190 --> 00:47:01,440
things in the world and there's positive

1044
00:47:08,030 --> 00:47:04,200
things and where you need to be is right

1045
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:08,040
in the middle of that in Balance uh not

1046
00:47:13,609 --> 00:47:10,319
over on one side or the other

1047
00:47:15,770 --> 00:47:13,619
and uh so we we smudge ourselves that

1048
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:15,780
way we bring ourselves back into balance

1049
00:47:21,290 --> 00:47:18,720
we pray during that time with the intent

1050
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:21,300
that we're going to be protected and we

1051
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:24,480
go back uh on our job I think the only

1052
00:47:30,770 --> 00:47:26,700
the only time that I ever had some

1053
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:30,780
adrenaline going was when I was

1054
00:47:34,730 --> 00:47:32,480
uh-oh

1055
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,740
something didn't want him talking about

1056
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,720
it some timing there how's Dan I think

1057
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,880
they got it they got him they're like

1058
00:47:42,530 --> 00:47:41,040
yeah you smudged okay let's see if it

1059
00:47:45,410 --> 00:47:42,540
works now

1060
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:45,420
um as I turn over to Nathan I just want

1061
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:47,760
to say really Uncommon Valor I mean that

1062
00:47:53,569 --> 00:47:50,460
I I think the people that are willing to

1063
00:47:55,370 --> 00:47:53,579
go into a situation where there is an

1064
00:47:58,250 --> 00:47:55,380
unknown entity let's just call it that

1065
00:48:00,770 --> 00:47:58,260
that is scaring someone that's dangerous

1066
00:48:04,250 --> 00:48:00,780
that can move things like what Deb saw

1067
00:48:05,829 --> 00:48:04,260
and is willing to go headlong into that

1068
00:48:08,809 --> 00:48:05,839
um whether I mean all the way up until

1069
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:08,819
exorcisms and and mediums I I think you

1070
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:11,280
guys are heroic I really do because

1071
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:12,720
um a lot of us including myself don't

1072
00:48:18,589 --> 00:48:15,359
want any part of that money uh one of

1073
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:18,599
the cases that I dealt with

1074
00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:20,700
um it was a haunting case

1075
00:48:24,410 --> 00:48:22,260
and

1076
00:48:25,490 --> 00:48:24,420
there was

1077
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:25,500
um

1078
00:48:28,730 --> 00:48:27,359
there was an entity in this one

1079
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:28,740
residence

1080
00:48:34,670 --> 00:48:30,480
and uh

1081
00:48:36,410 --> 00:48:34,680
so I had a 12 inch butcher knife come

1082
00:48:37,309 --> 00:48:36,420
out of one of those blocks that holds

1083
00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:37,319
the knives

1084
00:48:42,290 --> 00:48:39,240
and fly through

1085
00:48:45,490 --> 00:48:42,300
a grapefruit that was in a little basket

1086
00:48:50,329 --> 00:48:45,500
next to me but seeing the knife you know

1087
00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:50,339
fly out of that a good five or six feet

1088
00:48:56,030 --> 00:48:53,400
and uh

1089
00:48:58,910 --> 00:48:56,040
um they they're the

1090
00:49:03,170 --> 00:48:58,920
the person who had the residence was

1091
00:49:05,569 --> 00:49:03,180
traumatized but I I pulled him aside and

1092
00:49:07,010 --> 00:49:05,579
I said you know I laughed about it I

1093
00:49:10,190 --> 00:49:07,020
told him I said

1094
00:49:12,430 --> 00:49:10,200
I said don't give in to your fear in

1095
00:49:15,890 --> 00:49:12,440
this because that's it's trying to

1096
00:49:19,130 --> 00:49:15,900
elicit that fear it's trying to get a

1097
00:49:20,750 --> 00:49:19,140
response out of you I said obviously if

1098
00:49:23,809 --> 00:49:20,760
it wanted to hurt us

1099
00:49:27,050 --> 00:49:23,819
it it had the ability to do that

1100
00:49:28,730 --> 00:49:27,060
but um but it's trying to convey some

1101
00:49:32,210 --> 00:49:28,740
type of message in that

1102
00:49:34,370 --> 00:49:32,220
and uh I think a lot of it goes back to

1103
00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:34,380
our training in Swat

1104
00:49:40,730 --> 00:49:39,420
uh you know you're you're trained

1105
00:49:43,970 --> 00:49:40,740
um

1106
00:49:46,809 --> 00:49:43,980
to be able to control your emotions and

1107
00:49:50,450 --> 00:49:46,819
stay focused on your objective

1108
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,460
and um you know there's been times John

1109
00:49:53,390 --> 00:49:51,839
and I have been

1110
00:49:55,609 --> 00:49:53,400
we've had

1111
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:55,619
you know we're being shot at and stuff

1112
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:58,079
and and uh you just got to keep your

1113
00:50:04,609 --> 00:50:01,200
cool and go back on what you've been

1114
00:50:07,609 --> 00:50:04,619
trained and how you've been trained and

1115
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:07,619
the other thing is John and I I mean for

1116
00:50:11,630 --> 00:50:08,880
me

1117
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:11,640
I've always had a strong spirituality

1118
00:50:15,849 --> 00:50:14,880
I've had a closeness with I felt with my

1119
00:50:19,970 --> 00:50:15,859
Creator

1120
00:50:22,609 --> 00:50:19,980
and to not have to be afraid you know

1121
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:22,619
put put these things in his hands and

1122
00:50:29,150 --> 00:50:25,440
let him deal with those things that that

1123
00:50:31,309 --> 00:50:29,160
you know and so for us a lot of times

1124
00:50:33,710 --> 00:50:31,319
it's just staying focused

1125
00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:33,720
and and on in in some of the haunting

1126
00:50:39,950 --> 00:50:37,740
cases or stuff involving demonic

1127
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:39,960
entities and things like that it's

1128
00:50:44,030 --> 00:50:41,760
trying to elicit that fear and it's

1129
00:50:48,109 --> 00:50:44,040
trying to it's trying to get a response

1130
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,119
out of you and uh so we don't we we

1131
00:50:52,849 --> 00:50:50,640
don't give in to that you know

1132
00:50:54,650 --> 00:50:52,859
um you're you're always

1133
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:54,660
in uh in those kind of cases you're

1134
00:50:58,609 --> 00:50:55,920
always cautious

1135
00:51:00,829 --> 00:50:58,619
you take protective measures

1136
00:51:03,230 --> 00:51:00,839
uh but

1137
00:51:06,049 --> 00:51:03,240
it's not like some of these television

1138
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,059
shows where they're jumping and running

1139
00:51:12,170 --> 00:51:08,880
and all excited and everything like that

1140
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:12,180
so I want to say though Nathan that sign

1141
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:13,440
with the butcher knife and the

1142
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,359
grapefruit could have been that Stan is

1143
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:17,040
low on vitamin C it could have been it

1144
00:51:19,970 --> 00:51:18,720
could be something very positive you

1145
00:51:22,210 --> 00:51:19,980
know I'm just trying to be helpful right

1146
00:51:24,589 --> 00:51:22,220
I mean yeah

1147
00:51:25,790 --> 00:51:24,599
uh well first of all before I ask you

1148
00:51:27,950 --> 00:51:25,800
the next question I just want to say

1149
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:27,960
it's really great uh to hear both of you

1150
00:51:33,290 --> 00:51:30,960
talk and it's it's obvious to me and I

1151
00:51:36,530 --> 00:51:33,300
think my co-hosts here that you have a

1152
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:36,540
strong relationship and uh and you know

1153
00:51:40,250 --> 00:51:38,400
you're both very collegial you've got a

1154
00:51:41,930 --> 00:51:40,260
lot of experience together and it's just

1155
00:51:42,890 --> 00:51:41,940
great to hear you talk about what you've

1156
00:51:44,510 --> 00:51:42,900
seen

1157
00:51:47,809 --> 00:51:44,520
um one thing that really jumps out to me

1158
00:51:49,970 --> 00:51:47,819
and listening to you is the is the way

1159
00:51:53,809 --> 00:51:49,980
in which the kind of the framework that

1160
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:53,819
you operate is more open to these kinds

1161
00:51:59,870 --> 00:51:56,160
of experiences right so we we know

1162
00:52:01,309 --> 00:51:59,880
outside of the reservation and and you

1163
00:52:02,750 --> 00:52:01,319
know kind of more westernized or

1164
00:52:04,730 --> 00:52:02,760
modernized areas there are people who

1165
00:52:06,410 --> 00:52:04,740
have these experiences and even people

1166
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,420
who want to go investigate that but the

1167
00:52:10,609 --> 00:52:08,160
framework that people have of

1168
00:52:12,890 --> 00:52:10,619
incorporating or understanding or coping

1169
00:52:14,690 --> 00:52:12,900
with it just doesn't really exist but

1170
00:52:17,690 --> 00:52:14,700
where you're operating it sounds like

1171
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:17,700
that the openness is just it's much more

1172
00:52:22,609 --> 00:52:20,880
present that that there's not the stigma

1173
00:52:24,770 --> 00:52:22,619
quite as much but I don't know if you

1174
00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:24,780
have you encountered a certain stigma

1175
00:52:29,930 --> 00:52:27,180
even amongst the the reservation and and

1176
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:29,940
people who who traditionally may be more

1177
00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:32,880
open to this kind of phenomena

1178
00:52:38,270 --> 00:52:36,119
uh yeah on the reservation there there

1179
00:52:41,390 --> 00:52:38,280
is a stigma and you have to understand

1180
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:41,400
that over a long period of time UFOs

1181
00:52:47,809 --> 00:52:44,880
were ridiculed uh officially by the US

1182
00:52:51,890 --> 00:52:47,819
government now what we tell people when

1183
00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:51,900
we speak is that we don't hold any of

1184
00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:56,099
the government's ideas because uh Indian

1185
00:53:03,130 --> 00:52:59,839
tribes tend to have a very uh uh

1186
00:53:07,250 --> 00:53:03,140
well-known distrust of the US government

1187
00:53:09,290 --> 00:53:07,260
and uh so you know and then we give a

1188
00:53:11,329 --> 00:53:09,300
shout out to any uh

1189
00:53:13,490 --> 00:53:11,339
any people that are there from the

1190
00:53:15,790 --> 00:53:13,500
government that came to listen to us and

1191
00:53:18,589 --> 00:53:15,800
try to glean information from our talks

1192
00:53:21,069 --> 00:53:18,599
because uh we know that they're

1193
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:21,079
interested in the skinwalker phenomenon

1194
00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:23,760
uh because they want to create soldiers

1195
00:53:29,089 --> 00:53:26,460
that can do this uh they're interested

1196
00:53:30,829 --> 00:53:29,099
in Stargates and faster than light

1197
00:53:34,250 --> 00:53:30,839
travel that's why they're interested in

1198
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:34,260
places like Skinwalker Ranch because

1199
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:36,240
they think that there could be

1200
00:53:40,849 --> 00:53:38,880
dimensional Gates there and they want to

1201
00:53:42,890 --> 00:53:40,859
know can we control them can we

1202
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:42,900
weaponize them

1203
00:53:48,109 --> 00:53:43,440
um

1204
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,569
so yeah yeah uh and one of the things

1205
00:53:56,089 --> 00:53:52,079
that I was going to mention too that

1206
00:53:58,490 --> 00:53:56,099
Stan brought up is we try not to be

1207
00:54:02,150 --> 00:53:58,500
fearful with any of this we found out

1208
00:54:05,690 --> 00:54:02,160
early on that if you are fearful

1209
00:54:07,549 --> 00:54:05,700
uh it helps whatever entity it is to

1210
00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:07,559
manifest even more

1211
00:54:12,829 --> 00:54:10,260
and so if you went on an investigation

1212
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:12,839
with us it would actually be pretty

1213
00:54:18,290 --> 00:54:16,079
boring because things things might be

1214
00:54:21,290 --> 00:54:18,300
happening things might be moving or

1215
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:21,300
flying across the room and we're not

1216
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:24,000
going to react to it we're just going to

1217
00:54:30,109 --> 00:54:26,640
go yeah you know Mark down you know time

1218
00:54:32,750 --> 00:54:30,119
location all that kind of stuff and uh

1219
00:54:36,829 --> 00:54:32,760
take some pictures of whatever it is and

1220
00:54:39,470 --> 00:54:36,839
and uh and and just so you know Stan's

1221
00:54:41,210 --> 00:54:39,480
talking about 65 coins over two two

1222
00:54:44,030 --> 00:54:41,220
nights

1223
00:54:47,390 --> 00:54:44,040
um he calls me uh when these things

1224
00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:47,400
first started appearing and he says uh

1225
00:54:51,650 --> 00:54:49,260
what do you recommend and I says well

1226
00:54:53,329 --> 00:54:51,660
it's just like any other evidence uh

1227
00:54:55,490 --> 00:54:53,339
you're gonna have to map it out in the

1228
00:54:59,089 --> 00:54:55,500
room from two different walls measure it

1229
00:55:00,890 --> 00:54:59,099
uh fix it in the room photograph it bag

1230
00:55:04,250 --> 00:55:00,900
it and tag it and put an Evidence number

1231
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:04,260
on it and that poor guy had to do that

1232
00:55:09,609 --> 00:55:06,000
65 times

1233
00:55:13,010 --> 00:55:09,619
no car wash no vending machines

1234
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,020
yep okay that's terrible you know I feel

1235
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:15,599
really bad for him uh I really I mean

1236
00:55:19,790 --> 00:55:18,000
because there's you know a lot of ho-hos

1237
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:19,800
and different snacks that he could have

1238
00:55:26,030 --> 00:55:22,319
had uh Debs

1239
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:26,040
so um actually one of one of my uh more

1240
00:55:30,290 --> 00:55:27,119
interesting

1241
00:55:31,730 --> 00:55:30,300
authors on my shelf back here that you

1242
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:31,740
guys can't see but

1243
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:34,559
um it's already a six killer Clerk and

1244
00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:37,680
she spoke to indigenous people in

1245
00:55:43,490 --> 00:55:40,980
several nations in several countries

1246
00:55:45,410 --> 00:55:43,500
um and one thing that stood out to me

1247
00:55:48,770 --> 00:55:45,420
was that when she spoke to some people

1248
00:55:52,849 --> 00:55:48,780
who were Mayan they said that the star

1249
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:52,859
people are not aliens they're us we're

1250
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,440
the star people and I was wondering if

1251
00:55:59,809 --> 00:55:57,599
you've ever heard anything from

1252
00:56:01,790 --> 00:55:59,819
experiencers along that vein because a

1253
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:01,800
lot of people are clinging to the idea

1254
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:05,280
now that we might actually be related to

1255
00:56:09,950 --> 00:56:07,200
the start people

1256
00:56:13,790 --> 00:56:09,960
there's there's people that say that

1257
00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:13,800
these uh uh entities that are showing up

1258
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:17,400
are our future selves or or Time

1259
00:56:24,109 --> 00:56:20,640
Travelers uh there's some that say that

1260
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,119
they are in a parallel Dimension

1261
00:56:29,450 --> 00:56:26,640
um and and string through reposits that

1262
00:56:33,410 --> 00:56:29,460
there could be a dozen or an infinite

1263
00:56:35,870 --> 00:56:33,420
number of other uh uh planes of

1264
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:35,880
existence that exist in different

1265
00:56:40,670 --> 00:56:38,640
frequencies so we can't see them but

1266
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:40,680
some are so close that they spill over

1267
00:56:46,490 --> 00:56:44,400
from time to time uh I'm not certain

1268
00:56:48,349 --> 00:56:46,500
that these things are coming from

1269
00:56:51,049 --> 00:56:48,359
Interstellar space

1270
00:56:53,390 --> 00:56:51,059
uh otherwise I think we would have been

1271
00:56:56,569 --> 00:56:53,400
able to to track them with the U.S space

1272
00:56:58,010 --> 00:56:56,579
force and uh you know we can track bits

1273
00:57:00,349 --> 00:56:58,020
and pieces and we know that there's

1274
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:00,359
thousands of bits floating around in

1275
00:57:05,569 --> 00:57:03,119
orbit uh and that's why we keep blowing

1276
00:57:09,290 --> 00:57:05,579
stuff up up in space you know so we can

1277
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:09,300
create more junk but uh

1278
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:11,280
you know they're they're I think that

1279
00:57:15,890 --> 00:57:13,680
they're popping through uh from from a

1280
00:57:18,530 --> 00:57:15,900
different dimension and along with that

1281
00:57:21,410 --> 00:57:18,540
I think it was about 10 10 years ago 12

1282
00:57:24,349 --> 00:57:21,420
years ago the Large Hadron Collider

1283
00:57:26,690 --> 00:57:24,359
actually did an experiment where they

1284
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:26,700
tried to open a dimensional gate and

1285
00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:29,280
send a message through uh nothing was

1286
00:57:34,010 --> 00:57:31,260
there more was ever said about it but

1287
00:57:35,390 --> 00:57:34,020
they said they were going to try it

1288
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:35,400
wow

1289
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:37,200
oh that would be that would be really

1290
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:38,880
cool man if we get something nice on

1291
00:57:42,650 --> 00:57:41,040
that one I have to say I watched a show

1292
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:42,660
called stranger things where that does

1293
00:57:49,609 --> 00:57:44,480
not go well

1294
00:57:52,130 --> 00:57:49,619
well yeah in the military they have a

1295
00:57:53,210 --> 00:57:52,140
saying uh never draw fire on your own

1296
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:53,220
position

1297
00:58:00,170 --> 00:57:57,839
and so I like that thing so you know you

1298
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,180
don't get up and wave a flag because you

1299
00:58:04,190 --> 00:58:02,160
don't know who you're attracting

1300
00:58:05,870 --> 00:58:04,200
so so you mean like if you're in the if

1301
00:58:08,030 --> 00:58:05,880
you're in the woods like and there is

1302
00:58:09,710 --> 00:58:08,040
maybe an angry Bigfoot don't would knock

1303
00:58:12,190 --> 00:58:09,720
and sort of call them over to your

1304
00:58:14,990 --> 00:58:12,200
position and give them back

1305
00:58:17,809 --> 00:58:15,000
that's absolutely correct because you

1306
00:58:19,250 --> 00:58:17,819
may you may get your wish all right

1307
00:58:20,510 --> 00:58:19,260
Matthew Knapp might be able to talk

1308
00:58:22,730 --> 00:58:20,520
about that because I believe he's

1309
00:58:25,490 --> 00:58:22,740
probably done calls and wood knocks but

1310
00:58:27,730 --> 00:58:25,500
Matt go ahead yeah I wouldn't suggest

1311
00:58:30,410 --> 00:58:27,740
doing it

1312
00:58:32,569 --> 00:58:30,420
it's for the Brave and stupid you take

1313
00:58:35,390 --> 00:58:32,579
your pick which one you are at the time

1314
00:58:36,890 --> 00:58:35,400
uh I usually started out Brave and ended

1315
00:58:40,430 --> 00:58:36,900
up stupid

1316
00:58:45,710 --> 00:58:42,950
having grown up in Oklahoma I've had

1317
00:58:48,109 --> 00:58:45,720
lots of uh you know friendships and

1318
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:48,119
relationships and family members you

1319
00:58:54,349 --> 00:58:51,359
know involved in the tribe and all of

1320
00:58:56,089 --> 00:58:54,359
this stuff that you guys talk about

1321
00:58:59,690 --> 00:58:56,099
I mean the main rule is don't talk about

1322
00:59:01,370 --> 00:58:59,700
it you know these are taboo subjects

1323
00:59:03,230 --> 00:59:01,380
um especially whenever it comes to

1324
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:03,240
speaking with people outside of the

1325
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:06,480
tribe have either one of you received

1326
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:09,119
any blowback from tribal members or

1327
00:59:13,609 --> 00:59:11,280
anything about being open and being on

1328
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,619
you know national television and coming

1329
00:59:17,210 --> 00:59:15,599
on podcasts and stuff in relation to

1330
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:17,220
this stuff

1331
00:59:21,230 --> 00:59:19,920
not me myself

1332
00:59:25,690 --> 00:59:21,240
but

1333
00:59:27,289 --> 00:59:25,700
John and I were really close

1334
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:27,299
with

1335
00:59:33,289 --> 00:59:31,680
a an elder from another tribe

1336
00:59:36,349 --> 00:59:33,299
and

1337
00:59:40,609 --> 00:59:36,359
he would join us presenting

1338
00:59:42,109 --> 00:59:40,619
regarding star people and UFOs and

1339
00:59:45,470 --> 00:59:42,119
different things

1340
00:59:50,450 --> 00:59:45,480
and he's he's no longer

1341
00:59:53,870 --> 00:59:50,460
with us but back in the day he got so

1342
00:59:57,230 --> 00:59:53,880
much Flack from other tribal members and

1343
01:00:00,829 --> 00:59:57,240
the tribe itself and it was sad because

1344
01:00:03,230 --> 01:00:00,839
all he was trying to do is

1345
01:00:05,150 --> 01:00:03,240
is convey

1346
01:00:08,210 --> 01:00:05,160
his pride

1347
01:00:10,250 --> 01:00:08,220
in the teachings that he had and the

1348
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:10,260
knowledge that he had and share it with

1349
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:11,280
all people

1350
01:00:15,230 --> 01:00:12,720
universally

1351
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:15,240
and uh so

1352
01:00:20,690 --> 01:00:18,720
I know that did happen with some some

1353
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:20,700
individuals but I haven't ever

1354
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:23,040
experienced that yet it's not to say

1355
01:00:27,770 --> 01:00:25,440
that it won't happen especially with

1356
01:00:29,630 --> 01:00:27,780
things like the Unsolved Mysteries you

1357
01:00:32,210 --> 01:00:29,640
know but

1358
01:00:38,809 --> 01:00:32,220
we do try to approach any of these

1359
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:38,819
subjects with respect and uh dignity and

1360
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:40,559
um

1361
01:00:45,170 --> 01:00:42,480
those kind of things I'll let John speak

1362
01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:45,180
yeah and and when we start our slide

1363
01:00:50,750 --> 01:00:48,480
presentation we have a disclaimer that

1364
01:00:55,010 --> 01:00:50,760
says that these are our opinions and we

1365
01:00:57,890 --> 01:00:55,020
don't they don't represent any uh Naval

1366
01:01:01,970 --> 01:00:57,900
Nation or department or you know any

1367
01:01:03,710 --> 01:01:01,980
other any other ideas out there that

1368
01:01:07,069 --> 01:01:03,720
these are just our opinions and we're

1369
01:01:11,569 --> 01:01:09,829
um I'll tell you I I um I'm gonna let's

1370
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:11,579
go with like a last round of questions

1371
01:01:14,930 --> 01:01:13,200
and then we'll go with cabbie goodbyes

1372
01:01:18,349 --> 01:01:14,940
we did have say goodbye to miss Leah

1373
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:18,359
Miss Leah is uh uh hosting invisible

1374
01:01:22,490 --> 01:01:20,640
night school uh tonight so that's where

1375
01:01:25,609 --> 01:01:22,500
she headed off to to host her own show

1376
01:01:26,990 --> 01:01:25,619
but uh you guys will see her on cab but

1377
01:01:30,049 --> 01:01:27,000
that that's a future announcement right

1378
01:01:32,210 --> 01:01:30,059
Nathan okay it was good to have her yeah

1379
01:01:34,430 --> 01:01:32,220
yeah I know she did she did a great job

1380
01:01:35,870 --> 01:01:34,440
man we just knew that's the first time

1381
01:01:38,329 --> 01:01:35,880
we've ever been on air with her but we

1382
01:01:40,849 --> 01:01:38,339
knew she was gonna be awesome yeah

1383
01:01:44,270 --> 01:01:40,859
um so gentlemen um what I'm curious

1384
01:01:47,450 --> 01:01:44,280
about uh for my final question is when

1385
01:01:50,510 --> 01:01:47,460
you guys get together and hang out

1386
01:01:52,609 --> 01:01:50,520
um what are the conversations that that

1387
01:01:53,930 --> 01:01:52,619
that come up of Beyond I mean I'm sure

1388
01:01:56,809 --> 01:01:53,940
you guys are checking in on one

1389
01:02:00,170 --> 01:01:56,819
another's families and there is probably

1390
01:02:02,930 --> 01:02:00,180
there is an unspoken bond between you

1391
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:02,940
that's sort of very much uh like Thomas

1392
01:02:09,650 --> 01:02:07,440
Jefferson and and John Adams I'm sure

1393
01:02:11,089 --> 01:02:09,660
um but what what are the conversations

1394
01:02:13,250 --> 01:02:11,099
that come up when you guys get together

1395
01:02:16,030 --> 01:02:13,260
and go fishing or hang out

1396
01:02:18,650 --> 01:02:16,040
it's usually about guitars and music

1397
01:02:20,329 --> 01:02:18,660
playing guitar are you gonna play

1398
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:20,339
because you mentioned Metallica is that

1399
01:02:28,130 --> 01:02:22,559
coming off the wall because it is here

1400
01:02:29,329 --> 01:02:28,140
for that man it could uh but John and I

1401
01:02:32,510 --> 01:02:29,339
um

1402
01:02:34,609 --> 01:02:32,520
uh we're brothers I mean

1403
01:02:36,349 --> 01:02:34,619
um yes we worked together for many many

1404
01:02:37,789 --> 01:02:36,359
many years

1405
01:02:39,710 --> 01:02:37,799
but

1406
01:02:41,809 --> 01:02:39,720
his family

1407
01:02:44,990 --> 01:02:41,819
you know I visit them and they're like

1408
01:02:48,349 --> 01:02:45,000
my family and vice versa he he visits

1409
01:02:50,329 --> 01:02:48,359
with family members I have and

1410
01:02:53,450 --> 01:02:50,339
um so

1411
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:53,460
it would be any conversation that Two

1412
01:02:57,650 --> 01:02:54,960
Brothers have

1413
01:03:00,849 --> 01:02:57,660
yeah there may be

1414
01:03:05,690 --> 01:03:00,859
a little more of the

1415
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:08,410
On Any Given month

1416
01:03:13,549 --> 01:03:11,760
were were participating in podcasts Like

1417
01:03:16,849 --> 01:03:13,559
We Are Tonight

1418
01:03:20,329 --> 01:03:16,859
uh we may be filming

1419
01:03:23,870 --> 01:03:20,339
you know two or three times a month with

1420
01:03:26,750 --> 01:03:23,880
different Productions and stuff so a lot

1421
01:03:30,170 --> 01:03:26,760
of the conversation ends up being

1422
01:03:33,890 --> 01:03:30,180
uh the Paranormal and uh

1423
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:33,900
but yeah I mean he has a huge interest

1424
01:03:42,349 --> 01:03:39,839
in in fly fishing and and uh so yeah it

1425
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:42,359
runs the gamut of all kinds of things so

1426
01:03:46,250 --> 01:03:44,400
that's awesome man I figured you guys

1427
01:03:48,049 --> 01:03:46,260
were like brothers it must have sucked

1428
01:03:49,549 --> 01:03:48,059
when he when he when he retired you must

1429
01:03:52,430 --> 01:03:49,559
have been bummed out you retired around

1430
01:03:55,730 --> 01:03:52,440
the same time I did so well actually I

1431
01:03:59,390 --> 01:03:55,740
was really happy for him I mean John

1432
01:04:01,849 --> 01:03:59,400
he worked many many many years in law

1433
01:04:04,670 --> 01:04:01,859
enforcement and

1434
01:04:07,130 --> 01:04:04,680
he deserves every minute he has in his

1435
01:04:10,130 --> 01:04:07,140
retirement so

1436
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:10,140
um I was it was hard to see him not be

1437
01:04:14,569 --> 01:04:12,720
there each and every day but I was glad

1438
01:04:17,030 --> 01:04:14,579
to see him to be able to enjoy his

1439
01:04:19,309 --> 01:04:17,040
retirement and and relax a little bit

1440
01:04:22,010 --> 01:04:19,319
you know but we still do

1441
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:22,020
we still do the cases today I mean I

1442
01:04:26,329 --> 01:04:24,240
love that wait yeah and wait so that'll

1443
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:26,339
be we're going to do a part two with you

1444
01:04:31,250 --> 01:04:28,799
guys on on another episode but let me

1445
01:04:33,289 --> 01:04:31,260
pass it over and money Nathan John did

1446
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:33,299
you want to reply I heard you speak up

1447
01:04:40,069 --> 01:04:35,760
there I didn't know if you uh yeah I was

1448
01:04:42,109 --> 01:04:40,079
gonna say uh after I retired in 2011 uh

1449
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:42,119
two weeks later I was working for a

1450
01:04:50,450 --> 01:04:44,640
different private company uh making

1451
01:04:53,210 --> 01:04:50,460
medical devices and uh so I I had a I

1452
01:04:55,370 --> 01:04:53,220
got another retirement there and now I

1453
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:55,380
retired from that one last year

1454
01:05:00,650 --> 01:04:58,319
so now I'm drawing Social Security

1455
01:05:06,349 --> 01:05:00,660
so

1456
01:05:09,230 --> 01:05:06,359
now that I can buy a better brand of dog

1457
01:05:11,030 --> 01:05:09,240
food to eat every day I'm a little upset

1458
01:05:12,589 --> 01:05:11,040
that he still has his hair Nathan he

1459
01:05:14,270 --> 01:05:12,599
still has all his hair it's beautiful

1460
01:05:16,549 --> 01:05:14,280
and I haven't got to my second

1461
01:05:18,049 --> 01:05:16,559
retirement yet and I you know like you

1462
01:05:19,730 --> 01:05:18,059
see what what's happened I don't know if

1463
01:05:20,809 --> 01:05:19,740
that was a result of a skin walker I

1464
01:05:23,170 --> 01:05:20,819
don't know what the hell happened but

1465
01:05:27,049 --> 01:05:23,180
anyway go ahead

1466
01:05:29,450 --> 01:05:27,059
you alluded to this earlier uh in

1467
01:05:32,270 --> 01:05:29,460
talking about some of the

1468
01:05:35,930 --> 01:05:32,280
you know rituals within the the history

1469
01:05:37,549 --> 01:05:35,940
of the Navajo people and I I wanted to

1470
01:05:38,870 --> 01:05:37,559
talk a little bit more about that so

1471
01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:38,880
there are some there are different kinds

1472
01:05:44,510 --> 01:05:41,280
of modalities of of thinking about

1473
01:05:46,609 --> 01:05:44,520
reality and as trance States or

1474
01:05:48,650 --> 01:05:46,619
Altered States Of Consciousness or even

1475
01:05:50,329 --> 01:05:48,660
the use of psychedelics in some

1476
01:05:53,089 --> 01:05:50,339
traditions

1477
01:05:55,309 --> 01:05:53,099
um how do you think about those ways of

1478
01:05:56,450 --> 01:05:55,319
of acquiring information which is you

1479
01:05:58,069 --> 01:05:56,460
know different than the standard

1480
01:06:00,289 --> 01:05:58,079
investigative model you know where

1481
01:06:02,210 --> 01:06:00,299
you're looking for bits of evidence and

1482
01:06:04,849 --> 01:06:02,220
and you're logging it and you know

1483
01:06:07,849 --> 01:06:04,859
charting out the facts but we have other

1484
01:06:09,950 --> 01:06:07,859
ways of knowing that our Traditions kind

1485
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:09,960
of Point toward that fall outside those

1486
01:06:14,569 --> 01:06:11,760
boundaries what are your thoughts about

1487
01:06:20,990 --> 01:06:17,530
John you want to jump in

1488
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:21,000
oh boy uh that's that's a pretty good

1489
01:06:23,870 --> 01:06:22,559
question

1490
01:06:27,410 --> 01:06:23,880
um

1491
01:06:30,589 --> 01:06:27,420
boy there's there's just so much uh we

1492
01:06:33,410 --> 01:06:30,599
take it for granted although because we

1493
01:06:36,410 --> 01:06:33,420
didn't uh necessarily Grow Up full time

1494
01:06:39,710 --> 01:06:36,420
on Navajo uh

1495
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:39,720
as as a ranger you're there to protect

1496
01:06:45,710 --> 01:06:42,240
cultural resources along with

1497
01:06:49,970 --> 01:06:45,720
archaeological resources so we had to

1498
01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:49,980
literally study about the culture to

1499
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:51,200
understand

1500
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:54,240
what the thinking was and to be

1501
01:07:00,890 --> 01:06:57,119
respectful we also worked with medicine

1502
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:00,900
men on how to approach an archaeological

1503
01:07:05,109 --> 01:07:04,079
site and what to do and not do when

1504
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:05,119
you're there

1505
01:07:10,450 --> 01:07:08,160
because the Navajo people believe that

1506
01:07:13,789 --> 01:07:10,460
if you go to that place

1507
01:07:15,289 --> 01:07:13,799
a spirit can attach itself to you and

1508
01:07:18,589 --> 01:07:15,299
follow you back

1509
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:18,599
and so how do you go about that you know

1510
01:07:23,809 --> 01:07:20,400
what do you what if you went over there

1511
01:07:26,569 --> 01:07:23,819
and you did something and offended uh

1512
01:07:30,890 --> 01:07:26,579
any spirits that are there so they gave

1513
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:30,900
us a a whole list of things uh what to

1514
01:07:35,150 --> 01:07:32,400
do and what not to do

1515
01:07:37,370 --> 01:07:35,160
and they said it's your job you have to

1516
01:07:38,930 --> 01:07:37,380
be there so you know this this will help

1517
01:07:39,770 --> 01:07:38,940
you

1518
01:07:42,589 --> 01:07:39,780
um

1519
01:07:44,270 --> 01:07:42,599
so yeah there's the thinking is

1520
01:07:46,430 --> 01:07:44,280
different

1521
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:46,440
um and then we have to switch over again

1522
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:48,720
you know when when there's an incident a

1523
01:07:54,890 --> 01:07:51,839
police incident uh you know man armed

1524
01:07:56,630 --> 01:07:54,900
man barricaded with a weapon and you

1525
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:56,640
know you go out there and attach

1526
01:08:01,670 --> 01:08:00,000
yourself to a different SWAT team uh

1527
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:01,680
Stan had to do that up in Monument

1528
01:08:07,250 --> 01:08:04,559
valley during the Four Corners Manhunt

1529
01:08:09,230 --> 01:08:07,260
and uh they actually had a government

1530
01:08:12,770 --> 01:08:09,240
SWAT team that went in

1531
01:08:16,370 --> 01:08:12,780
and had to be rescued because they

1532
01:08:22,010 --> 01:08:16,380
because they showed up uh wearing black

1533
01:08:24,829 --> 01:08:22,020
uh bdus and uh in in 100 degree heat and

1534
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:24,839
ran from Boulder to Boulder uh

1535
01:08:30,590 --> 01:08:27,839
leapfrogging each other and after a mile

1536
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:30,600
of doing that they were they were so out

1537
01:08:35,450 --> 01:08:33,359
of it and heat stroke that they had to

1538
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:35,460
have a team go in and get them

1539
01:08:42,050 --> 01:08:38,400
yeah we're a stand stayed out there for

1540
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:42,060
months and uh and and you know work that

1541
01:08:48,349 --> 01:08:47,040
operation so you know you you just you

1542
01:08:50,990 --> 01:08:48,359
just have all this stuff you know hey

1543
01:08:54,130 --> 01:08:51,000
these guys in all black they look sexy

1544
01:08:54,140 --> 01:08:58,309
he said that not me

1545
01:09:03,890 --> 01:09:01,010
but you know looking looking sexy

1546
01:09:07,249 --> 01:09:03,900
doesn't doesn't take care of what you

1547
01:09:09,169 --> 01:09:07,259
need to do but uh and you know we live

1548
01:09:12,110 --> 01:09:09,179
out there so we know we know what to

1549
01:09:13,789 --> 01:09:12,120
expect and you know we're we're not

1550
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:13,799
going to go out there without the proper

1551
01:09:20,030 --> 01:09:17,040
equipment and and be able to shade up

1552
01:09:22,010 --> 01:09:20,040
and and you know when you need to or or

1553
01:09:24,890 --> 01:09:22,020
do what you need to do

1554
01:09:26,689 --> 01:09:24,900
um for the terrain wear clothing that

1555
01:09:28,669 --> 01:09:26,699
blends in with the environment you guys

1556
01:09:32,209 --> 01:09:28,679
are the seven kinds of badasses all I

1557
01:09:34,490 --> 01:09:32,219
got to say uh last question for Debs

1558
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:34,500
yeah I guess one of the things that I'm

1559
01:09:40,610 --> 01:09:37,440
I'm concerned about is the loss of

1560
01:09:42,050 --> 01:09:40,620
culture the loss of tradition and even

1561
01:09:45,169 --> 01:09:42,060
you know we know there's loss of

1562
01:09:47,150 --> 01:09:45,179
language going on across the country and

1563
01:09:49,550 --> 01:09:47,160
in other countries you know in

1564
01:09:52,669 --> 01:09:49,560
indigenous Australia the same thing is

1565
01:09:56,030 --> 01:09:52,679
happening so because there is that

1566
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:56,040
caution about sharing stories

1567
01:10:03,290 --> 01:09:59,040
um what is being done to preserve those

1568
01:10:05,570 --> 01:10:03,300
things will it come out and be shared

1569
01:10:06,830 --> 01:10:05,580
with everyone ever will it be something

1570
01:10:09,709 --> 01:10:06,840
that

1571
01:10:11,870 --> 01:10:09,719
um is reserved for everybody you know

1572
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:11,880
well I mean I'm just concerned about

1573
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:12,960
that

1574
01:10:17,390 --> 01:10:14,880
you mean the Traditions the native

1575
01:10:20,330 --> 01:10:17,400
traditions yes

1576
01:10:23,810 --> 01:10:20,340
um all of the different tribes yes all

1577
01:10:25,970 --> 01:10:23,820
of it will it be shared with with just

1578
01:10:27,470 --> 01:10:25,980
humankind in general the rest yes that's

1579
01:10:29,930 --> 01:10:27,480
that I guess that is what I'm worried

1580
01:10:32,450 --> 01:10:29,940
about the loss to humankind if because

1581
01:10:35,090 --> 01:10:32,460
this is these are Ancient Ancient

1582
01:10:37,310 --> 01:10:35,100
stories that are being passed down and

1583
01:10:40,370 --> 01:10:37,320
have concerns about their loss

1584
01:10:44,510 --> 01:10:40,380
well uh let me I'll I'll go first and

1585
01:10:48,470 --> 01:10:44,520
I'll Stand uh and but um

1586
01:10:50,450 --> 01:10:48,480
in the Apache tribe of Oklahoma and

1587
01:10:53,149 --> 01:10:50,460
these are what they call Plains Apaches

1588
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:53,159
so we wore the war Bots and wore the

1589
01:10:58,430 --> 01:10:56,159
Buckskin and rode horses and chased

1590
01:11:01,910 --> 01:10:58,440
Buffalo uh

1591
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:01,920
during that time uh they lost a lot of

1592
01:11:09,229 --> 01:11:05,280
their culture a lot of the language and

1593
01:11:12,169 --> 01:11:09,239
they're very small tribe uh the women in

1594
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:12,179
the tribe brought back the manatees

1595
01:11:18,050 --> 01:11:16,080
Society or the warrior society that they

1596
01:11:21,169 --> 01:11:18,060
call the Blackfoot Society

1597
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:21,179
uh they brought back the dances that

1598
01:11:26,209 --> 01:11:24,000
were almost you know gone they actually

1599
01:11:27,890 --> 01:11:26,219
had to research it and figure out how to

1600
01:11:31,970 --> 01:11:27,900
do these dances again

1601
01:11:35,630 --> 01:11:31,980
and uh they came back

1602
01:11:37,370 --> 01:11:35,640
the the the society split into two

1603
01:11:41,689 --> 01:11:37,380
different societies

1604
01:11:43,729 --> 01:11:41,699
and um that when that happened a lot of

1605
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:43,739
people were very alarmed but the tribe

1606
01:11:48,350 --> 01:11:45,840
said hey there's two different societies

1607
01:11:50,510 --> 01:11:48,360
let them both run and because it's

1608
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:50,520
keeping those Traditions alive

1609
01:11:56,590 --> 01:11:53,280
so now you have the red bone society and

1610
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:56,600
you have the uh chalapa Society

1611
01:12:01,070 --> 01:12:00,480
and I belong to the Redbone Society

1612
01:12:03,890 --> 01:12:01,080
um

1613
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:03,900
so there's things in in Navajo those

1614
01:12:08,450 --> 01:12:06,239
languages is being taught in the schools

1615
01:12:10,189 --> 01:12:08,460
now and it's being taught at the college

1616
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:10,199
level

1617
01:12:17,390 --> 01:12:15,110
well

1618
01:12:18,770 --> 01:12:17,400
as far as like the language and stuff I

1619
01:12:22,130 --> 01:12:18,780
know they're

1620
01:12:23,390 --> 01:12:22,140
throughout the Navajo reservation there

1621
01:12:27,770 --> 01:12:23,400
are a number of

1622
01:12:33,410 --> 01:12:27,780
what they refer to as immersion schools

1623
01:12:36,830 --> 01:12:33,420
where uh school-aged children are

1624
01:12:39,770 --> 01:12:36,840
are being taught

1625
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:39,780
the naval language

1626
01:12:44,750 --> 01:12:41,760
um

1627
01:12:47,689 --> 01:12:44,760
against the word immersion there is no

1628
01:12:50,330 --> 01:12:47,699
English taught in the school it's the

1629
01:12:51,649 --> 01:12:50,340
solely the naval language and I think

1630
01:12:52,970 --> 01:12:51,659
that

1631
01:12:55,630 --> 01:12:52,980
um

1632
01:12:58,270 --> 01:12:55,640
yes in a lot of

1633
01:13:02,530 --> 01:12:58,280
indigenous cultures

1634
01:13:05,930 --> 01:13:02,540
there is the loss and potential loss of

1635
01:13:07,310 --> 01:13:05,940
traditional teachings you know things

1636
01:13:09,169 --> 01:13:07,320
like

1637
01:13:11,870 --> 01:13:09,179
herbology

1638
01:13:15,410 --> 01:13:11,880
uh

1639
01:13:18,350 --> 01:13:15,420
but I think there's also mechanisms that

1640
01:13:19,729 --> 01:13:18,360
that you and I may not be aware of that

1641
01:13:22,729 --> 01:13:19,739
are in place

1642
01:13:25,490 --> 01:13:22,739
to try to retain and protect those

1643
01:13:26,090 --> 01:13:25,500
teachings

1644
01:13:29,570 --> 01:13:26,100
um

1645
01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:29,580
I know like with the medicine man

1646
01:13:35,330 --> 01:13:32,719
it's my understanding there are

1647
01:13:37,850 --> 01:13:35,340
mechanisms in place

1648
01:13:40,610 --> 01:13:37,860
to be able to retain

1649
01:13:41,689 --> 01:13:40,620
certain ceremonies and things of that

1650
01:13:44,990 --> 01:13:41,699
nature

1651
01:13:49,970 --> 01:13:45,000
they go beyond my knowledge of

1652
01:13:51,229 --> 01:13:49,980
of these things and so hopefully you

1653
01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:51,239
know

1654
01:13:55,250 --> 01:13:53,040
um we

1655
01:13:56,750 --> 01:13:55,260
as a human race

1656
01:13:59,149 --> 01:13:56,760
will

1657
01:14:02,390 --> 01:13:59,159
learn to

1658
01:14:04,669 --> 01:14:02,400
put away put aside our prejudice

1659
01:14:07,310 --> 01:14:04,679
and uh

1660
01:14:11,209 --> 01:14:07,320
and try to

1661
01:14:12,770 --> 01:14:11,219
be supportive of one another and to be

1662
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:12,780
um

1663
01:14:21,530 --> 01:14:17,280
more open and caring and understanding

1664
01:14:23,090 --> 01:14:21,540
of other people's ideas and thoughts and

1665
01:14:24,590 --> 01:14:23,100
uh

1666
01:14:27,470 --> 01:14:24,600
um

1667
01:14:29,870 --> 01:14:27,480
I think we still have a long way to go I

1668
01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:29,880
mean you look at the wars that are still

1669
01:14:36,890 --> 01:14:32,960
happening in 2023

1670
01:14:39,410 --> 01:14:36,900
uh and the loss of life related to these

1671
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:39,420
kind of conflicts

1672
01:14:42,530 --> 01:14:40,560
um

1673
01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:42,540
but

1674
01:14:48,169 --> 01:14:46,080
I still have hope and faith that we we

1675
01:14:50,990 --> 01:14:48,179
as a human race can

1676
01:14:53,390 --> 01:14:51,000
work toward that

1677
01:14:55,370 --> 01:14:53,400
I love it that and that is a lot of what

1678
01:14:57,649 --> 01:14:55,380
this this show is about is to try to

1679
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:57,659
bring that sort of positive welcoming

1680
01:15:01,850 --> 01:14:59,760
we're extremely curious about

1681
01:15:04,189 --> 01:15:01,860
everybody's culture and language and

1682
01:15:08,030 --> 01:15:04,199
someday I hope to make it out to the

1683
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:08,040
rest so I can experience this firsthand

1684
01:15:12,830 --> 01:15:10,080
um I just well let us know when you're

1685
01:15:15,530 --> 01:15:12,840
coming out I will I will we'll show you

1686
01:15:17,149 --> 01:15:15,540
around I yeah I do a lot of I've lived

1687
01:15:19,370 --> 01:15:17,159
in New Mexico I retired in New Mexico

1688
01:15:21,950 --> 01:15:19,380
actually and and I I do go out there for

1689
01:15:23,689 --> 01:15:21,960
work for the Air Force so uh let's let

1690
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:23,699
Matt Knapp get his last question in

1691
01:15:25,850 --> 01:15:24,960
there

1692
01:15:27,950 --> 01:15:25,860
foreign

1693
01:15:32,430 --> 01:15:27,960
I don't even want to follow that up with

1694
01:15:36,169 --> 01:15:32,440
a question that's great yeah man

1695
01:15:38,689 --> 01:15:36,179
[Laughter]

1696
01:15:40,490 --> 01:15:38,699
just real quick now that both of you

1697
01:15:44,510 --> 01:15:40,500
gentlemen are retired is there a new

1698
01:15:47,930 --> 01:15:44,520
dynamic duo that's taken over uh

1699
01:15:52,810 --> 01:15:47,940
uh taking on the the mantle of these

1700
01:15:55,970 --> 01:15:54,410
you know

1701
01:15:59,090 --> 01:15:55,980
uh

1702
01:16:01,490 --> 01:15:59,100
there was a when John and I worked in

1703
01:16:03,410 --> 01:16:01,500
his special projects unit

1704
01:16:07,610 --> 01:16:03,420
there was a uniqueness

1705
01:16:08,570 --> 01:16:07,620
to myself John and our chief Ranger at

1706
01:16:10,910 --> 01:16:08,580
that time

1707
01:16:14,990 --> 01:16:10,920
you know like John said

1708
01:16:16,729 --> 01:16:15,000
I grew up you know between Oklahoma and

1709
01:16:22,370 --> 01:16:16,739
and

1710
01:16:25,070 --> 01:16:22,380
then

1711
01:16:29,030 --> 01:16:25,080
on on the natto Side Learning the

1712
01:16:33,709 --> 01:16:29,040
culture so having that dual perspective

1713
01:16:37,790 --> 01:16:33,719
and then the same for the chief Ranger

1714
01:16:41,149 --> 01:16:37,800
who uh was very traditional but grew up

1715
01:16:43,970 --> 01:16:41,159
in school in in Salt Lake City

1716
01:16:46,610 --> 01:16:43,980
Utah and then the same for John

1717
01:16:49,490 --> 01:16:46,620
coming from Los Angeles and and

1718
01:16:51,290 --> 01:16:49,500
the naval reservation so it was a unique

1719
01:16:53,090 --> 01:16:51,300
situation there

1720
01:16:56,750 --> 01:16:53,100
that allowed

1721
01:16:57,950 --> 01:16:56,760
the formation of this uh investigative

1722
01:17:01,550 --> 01:16:57,960
team

1723
01:17:04,490 --> 01:17:01,560
but today that that doesn't exist

1724
01:17:09,770 --> 01:17:06,890
I just want to say so we have Dr Simeon

1725
01:17:12,290 --> 01:17:09,780
Hein uh in the chat he's saying navajos

1726
01:17:15,530 --> 01:17:12,300
and guitars I mean he is the last guest

1727
01:17:19,070 --> 01:17:15,540
of cab to play guitar on air so so so

1728
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:19,080
what I'm thinking is for a second

1729
01:17:25,010 --> 01:17:21,840
episode uh you guys have done an

1730
01:17:27,709 --> 01:17:25,020
investigation you come on you talk uh

1731
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:27,719
then Stan breaks out the guitar uh plays

1732
01:17:32,510 --> 01:17:29,280
some guitar sings what kind of music are

1733
01:17:34,209 --> 01:17:32,520
we doing Stan what are you into

1734
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:34,219
yeah

1735
01:17:42,050 --> 01:17:39,360
I graduated in 1984 uh in Oklahoma and I

1736
01:17:43,490 --> 01:17:42,060
was into the hair metal bands and you

1737
01:17:47,689 --> 01:17:43,500
know and uh

1738
01:17:49,010 --> 01:17:47,699
I that's what I love I I still play The

1739
01:17:51,290 --> 01:17:49,020
Heavy Metal stuff and the Hard Rock

1740
01:17:56,330 --> 01:17:51,300
stuff today although

1741
01:17:58,790 --> 01:17:56,340
uh John is more uh in the classic music

1742
01:18:01,550 --> 01:17:58,800
uh Rock and then

1743
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:01,560
some of the older you know rock stuff

1744
01:18:07,370 --> 01:18:05,760
and uh so okay it's a wide wide range I

1745
01:18:10,250 --> 01:18:07,380
was gonna say I'm with both you guys I

1746
01:18:12,010 --> 01:18:10,260
like hair metal I I graduated in 85 a

1747
01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:12,020
year after you

1748
01:18:17,870 --> 01:18:15,360
and uh and I'm also really into 60s and

1749
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:17,880
70s classic rock so I mean if you're

1750
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:19,679
going to play Wanted Dead or Alive or

1751
01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:21,600
something you know you're a cowboy on a

1752
01:18:25,010 --> 01:18:23,280
steel horse you ride there's not going

1753
01:18:27,770 --> 01:18:25,020
to be any issues here and maybe even Dr

1754
01:18:29,090 --> 01:18:27,780
Simeon Hein will okay Julie has a

1755
01:18:31,250 --> 01:18:29,100
question we got to get in here for you

1756
01:18:33,890 --> 01:18:31,260
guys and maybe Dr heinle come on in

1757
01:18:37,010 --> 01:18:33,900
we'll have a duet with you guys uh

1758
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:37,020
anyway so Julie uh this is from Kurt M

1759
01:18:42,410 --> 01:18:39,600
he wants to know did you work in and

1760
01:18:46,189 --> 01:18:42,420
around the chinley res

1761
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:46,199
uh definitely yes yes Kurt the answer is

1762
01:18:52,490 --> 01:18:49,199
yes they did because their their area of

1763
01:18:55,010 --> 01:18:52,500
operations was Colorado Arizona and

1764
01:18:57,830 --> 01:18:55,020
parts of New Mexico said three states in

1765
01:18:59,870 --> 01:18:57,840
their area of responsibility so I can I

1766
01:19:03,430 --> 01:18:59,880
can't even imagine what these guys have

1767
01:19:08,090 --> 01:19:03,440
run into Matt uh the naval reservation

1768
01:19:10,630 --> 01:19:08,100
is 27 000 square miles so it's the size

1769
01:19:13,310 --> 01:19:10,640
of the West Virginia

1770
01:19:14,450 --> 01:19:13,320
when I left there was eight remaining

1771
01:19:18,350 --> 01:19:14,460
Rangers

1772
01:19:21,050 --> 01:19:18,360
providing enforcement over that area

1773
01:19:23,090 --> 01:19:21,060
that's ridiculous amazing that's absurd

1774
01:19:24,530 --> 01:19:23,100
and John and I patrolled every inch of

1775
01:19:27,290 --> 01:19:24,540
the rest

1776
01:19:29,330 --> 01:19:27,300
we covered all of the risk I've I have

1777
01:19:31,130 --> 01:19:29,340
no doubt and the size of West Virginia

1778
01:19:32,750 --> 01:19:31,140
at least you didn't have Mothman to deal

1779
01:19:35,870 --> 01:19:32,760
with we could celebrate that right no

1780
01:19:40,209 --> 01:19:37,610
Anthony

1781
01:19:43,610 --> 01:19:40,219
we can't talk about that yeah

1782
01:19:46,189 --> 01:19:43,620
well we we actually had uh one of our

1783
01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:46,199
Rangers that saw a Thunderbird

1784
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:51,120
and and he had uh he almost had his

1785
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:54,239
degree uh in wildlife biology

1786
01:20:00,770 --> 01:19:57,600
and uh he told us that this thing was

1787
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:00,780
between Gallup and grants and it must

1788
01:20:07,130 --> 01:20:03,840
have had a 40-foot wingspan to the north

1789
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:07,140
and um I want to see that thing because

1790
01:20:12,350 --> 01:20:09,440
I want one of those feathers

1791
01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:12,360
wow yeah I can only imagine man you'd be

1792
01:20:16,390 --> 01:20:13,920
like protected from all kinds of stuff

1793
01:20:20,630 --> 01:20:16,400
if you had one of those

1794
01:20:23,030 --> 01:20:20,640
uh let's you know what man yeah and I've

1795
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:23,040
I have other questions but uh but I

1796
01:20:26,810 --> 01:20:24,480
really think it'd be better we'll we'll

1797
01:20:28,430 --> 01:20:26,820
do a part two like and get together with

1798
01:20:30,050 --> 01:20:28,440
you guys after

1799
01:20:31,550 --> 01:20:30,060
um you guys have gone out on something I

1800
01:20:33,950 --> 01:20:31,560
know you have other filming to do but

1801
01:20:36,410 --> 01:20:33,960
let's go with cabbie goodbyes with the

1802
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:36,420
co-creator of this right here thing

1803
01:20:41,689 --> 01:20:39,840
money Nathan thanks DJ yeah again guys

1804
01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:41,699
thank you so much for your time uh

1805
01:20:46,850 --> 01:20:44,400
you're just an absolute pleasure uh and

1806
01:20:48,649 --> 01:20:46,860
uh really grateful for all that you've

1807
01:20:50,450 --> 01:20:48,659
done and what you're working on and and

1808
01:20:52,669 --> 01:20:50,460
willingness to speak about these things

1809
01:20:54,229 --> 01:20:52,679
so thank you so much and as DJ said we'd

1810
01:20:56,149 --> 01:20:54,239
love to have another chance to talk with

1811
01:20:58,669 --> 01:20:56,159
you again in the future and and wish you

1812
01:21:01,010 --> 01:20:58,679
luck on your on your current projects

1813
01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:01,020
thank you thank you we appreciate that

1814
01:21:05,930 --> 01:21:03,360
okay and now we have so cabby goodbyes

1815
01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:05,940
we have to go around the table so Debs

1816
01:21:09,709 --> 01:21:09,120
I am so honored that you spoke to us I

1817
01:21:12,530 --> 01:21:09,719
um

1818
01:21:14,209 --> 01:21:12,540
feel very much more and you know

1819
01:21:16,010 --> 01:21:14,219
enlightened and I and I hope we get to

1820
01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:16,020
talk again I feel like I have so many

1821
01:21:20,090 --> 01:21:18,000
more questions and I definitely want to

1822
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:20,100
hear you play the guitar stand I really

1823
01:21:23,330 --> 01:21:21,840
just like desperate for you to take it

1824
01:21:25,430 --> 01:21:23,340
off the wall

1825
01:21:28,250 --> 01:21:25,440
um and I and I noticed the Japanese work

1826
01:21:29,810 --> 01:21:28,260
behind you John I wanted to see more of

1827
01:21:32,030 --> 01:21:29,820
that so

1828
01:21:33,709 --> 01:21:32,040
um yeah so very very much appreciative

1829
01:21:35,209 --> 01:21:33,719
of you both

1830
01:21:38,090 --> 01:21:35,219
um and thank you

1831
01:21:40,010 --> 01:21:38,100
um I also was going to say I really hope

1832
01:21:41,510 --> 01:21:40,020
that you guys are thinking about doing a

1833
01:21:47,630 --> 01:21:41,520
book

1834
01:21:49,430 --> 01:21:47,640
Harper Collins baby come get some yeah

1835
01:21:52,370 --> 01:21:49,440
that's awesome

1836
01:21:55,669 --> 01:21:52,380
oh Matt Knapp with his cabbie goodbye

1837
01:21:58,130 --> 01:21:55,679
yeah uh just repeating sentiments thank

1838
01:21:59,770 --> 01:21:58,140
you gentlemen for both for joining uh

1839
01:22:02,090 --> 01:21:59,780
really enjoyed the conversation

1840
01:22:05,630 --> 01:22:02,100
hopefully I can convince you guys come

1841
01:22:07,550 --> 01:22:05,640
on my show someday uh but I also want to

1842
01:22:10,010 --> 01:22:07,560
say uh you know thank you for the work

1843
01:22:12,770 --> 01:22:10,020
that you guys did and continue to do uh

1844
01:22:15,290 --> 01:22:12,780
thank you for taking it seriously

1845
01:22:16,729 --> 01:22:15,300
and treating it with the respect that it

1846
01:22:18,649 --> 01:22:16,739
deserves and treating the people with

1847
01:22:22,010 --> 01:22:18,659
the respect that they deserve who are uh

1848
01:22:25,070 --> 01:22:22,020
witnessing and encountering these things

1849
01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:25,080
yeah thank you I've enjoyed being a part

1850
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:26,400
of this and

1851
01:22:31,370 --> 01:22:30,000
I would like if you know to suggest we

1852
01:22:34,970 --> 01:22:31,380
do a follow-up

1853
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:34,980
you know show and I would like us to be

1854
01:22:40,669 --> 01:22:37,199
able to open it up a little more to the

1855
01:22:43,370 --> 01:22:40,679
public just like what you mentioned uh

1856
01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:43,380
with Lane and and the other individual

1857
01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:46,320
there yes thank you for watching and I

1858
01:22:50,450 --> 01:22:47,760
would like to get questions from

1859
01:22:53,630 --> 01:22:50,460
individuals like that you know that that

1860
01:22:56,510 --> 01:22:53,640
may have something to ask of all of us

1861
01:22:59,030 --> 01:22:56,520
really I think so we will we will do

1862
01:23:00,290 --> 01:22:59,040
that in fact we want to bring on Lane

1863
01:23:04,130 --> 01:23:00,300
and and

1864
01:23:05,570 --> 01:23:04,140
um what's her name Landon yeah so I I'd

1865
01:23:06,890 --> 01:23:05,580
like to have them on the show and what

1866
01:23:08,270 --> 01:23:06,900
we can do is just bring them on next

1867
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:08,280
time when you're on there so they can

1868
01:23:13,610 --> 01:23:11,520
ask their questions uh live on air uh

1869
01:23:16,130 --> 01:23:13,620
we'll just we'll just we can just do the

1870
01:23:18,350 --> 01:23:16,140
chat absolutely and I although I do have

1871
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:18,360
a few questions Stan I mean come on I

1872
01:23:22,850 --> 01:23:20,880
mean I wanted to know stuff but you know

1873
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:22,860
the thing is you know when you bring on

1874
01:23:27,530 --> 01:23:24,960
a bunch of talented people you have to

1875
01:23:29,570 --> 01:23:27,540
table sometimes things that you have to

1876
01:23:33,169 --> 01:23:29,580
let other people get in there and I'm

1877
01:23:34,910 --> 01:23:33,179
truly proud of of the the team that we

1878
01:23:37,970 --> 01:23:34,920
have here and I'm I'm happy to give away

1879
01:23:40,610 --> 01:23:37,980
give up that's great my questions yeah

1880
01:23:42,410 --> 01:23:40,620
so um so that's it that's all we have

1881
01:23:44,570 --> 01:23:42,420
for you tonight

1882
01:23:47,090 --> 01:23:44,580
um it was an honor and really again I

1883
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:47,100
just want to reiterate to you John and

1884
01:23:51,950 --> 01:23:48,960
Stan

1885
01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:51,960
um The Uncommon Valor with which you

1886
01:23:57,470 --> 01:23:55,440
carried out your duties uh I I it just

1887
01:23:59,570 --> 01:23:57,480
it can't be stated enough it's not

1888
01:24:02,450 --> 01:23:59,580
something that everybody can do and I

1889
01:24:05,570 --> 01:24:02,460
know you've heard people say that before

1890
01:24:07,130 --> 01:24:05,580
um I I've you know I've come from a

1891
01:24:09,770 --> 01:24:07,140
military background I'm saying I'm

1892
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:09,780
astonished with uh with what you guys do

1893
01:24:14,570 --> 01:24:11,760
because it's a different type of courage

1894
01:24:16,610 --> 01:24:14,580
in addition to the courage that you guys

1895
01:24:18,649 --> 01:24:16,620
had Under Fire as SWAT team members

1896
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:18,659
there's a different type of Courage

1897
01:24:23,330 --> 01:24:21,360
that's necessary to take on the unknown

1898
01:24:26,209 --> 01:24:23,340
and the Paranormal there's some some

1899
01:24:29,390 --> 01:24:26,219
very very brave men in combat uh that

1900
01:24:31,550 --> 01:24:29,400
wouldn't necessarily find a place of

1901
01:24:34,010 --> 01:24:31,560
comfort in positions that you guys found

1902
01:24:35,870 --> 01:24:34,020
in yourselves in and when and when I ask

1903
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:35,880
you that you went at it again and again

1904
01:24:39,709 --> 01:24:38,400
and again and again and didn't know uh

1905
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:39,719
what you were going to face that night

1906
01:24:45,229 --> 01:24:42,239
but you but you you did it and you did

1907
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:45,239
it without uh uh without any any

1908
01:24:47,930 --> 01:24:46,800
complaining and just said you know what

1909
01:24:50,270 --> 01:24:47,940
we're going to go for it we're not

1910
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:50,280
scared we're not going to let that fear

1911
01:24:54,709 --> 01:24:53,040
take us over and keep us from doing what

1912
01:24:58,430 --> 01:24:54,719
we know we need to do for our community

1913
01:25:01,370 --> 01:24:58,440
and I salute you for that so

1914
01:25:04,669 --> 01:25:01,380
yes gentlemen yeah yeah both both me and

1915
01:25:08,090 --> 01:25:04,679
Stan will be at Roswell this year uh

1916
01:25:12,649 --> 01:25:08,100
speaking there nice and uh and I'll be

1917
01:25:15,350 --> 01:25:12,659
at uh aliencon in Pasadena in March can

1918
01:25:18,410 --> 01:25:15,360
I get amen anything uh and by the way

1919
01:25:20,750 --> 01:25:18,420
anything John that you send me any links

1920
01:25:23,090 --> 01:25:20,760
we will put him we do very very robust

1921
01:25:24,830 --> 01:25:23,100
show notes we notice that you're not on

1922
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:24,840
Twitter but anything that you guys want

1923
01:25:29,390 --> 01:25:26,880
us to put in this show notes just text

1924
01:25:31,790 --> 01:25:29,400
it to me email to me whatever and I will

1925
01:25:34,850 --> 01:25:31,800
put them in those notes okay sounds good

1926
01:25:38,510 --> 01:25:34,860
that's good okay for Stan for John for

1927
01:25:40,910 --> 01:25:38,520
Nathan for Debs for our guests co-host

1928
01:25:44,689 --> 01:25:40,920
Matt Knapp and for Leah Primetime this

1929
01:25:47,689 --> 01:25:44,699
is DJ to everybody saying peace out one

1930
01:25:49,310 --> 01:25:47,699
love we'll see you down the road we're

1931
01:25:50,930 --> 01:25:49,320
always wondering what's up around the

1932
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